The Ferguson, Missouri thread

[Salodin]

Oh, with the guy that said he ran at him? Why is eyewitness testimony that proves Wilson's story more admissible than the six testimonies that disprove it?

The reason I hadn't commented on the video, the second time it was posted, was because it wasn't posted in the context of why "eyewitness testimony is unreliable". To me, none of those videos (whether for or against) really paint a clear picture of what happened.

I never said it was more admissible; I wanted to know why it's constantly ignored if for no other reason then because it's actual witness testimony that says something other then racist cop kills innocent black man.

And yes, it was directed at Bum since he's the most outspoken person on these forums in regards to this case. He wonders why we don't take witness testimony as gospel, then ignores both the video and comments on it, on the same page no less.

[notorious bum]

I've already seen that video, heard the testimony, and, yes, it was being implied that their testimony was more admissible due to it being revealed right after the shooting. In contrast, the construction workers' video coming out so late means it matters less or maybe some actual tin-foiling is going that I don't know about, which thinks the video wasn't recorded at the time of death? Idk and I could give a shit less. The 2? witnesses+DW that support the double bum-rush theory certainly mean less to me as the whole scenario is preposterous and supports the idea that it's okay for a cop to open fire on a fleeing, unarmed person.

Really looking forward to more scheduled leaks by the PD that add more to their fill-in-the-blank story, preempting the GJ dismissal. FPD also made a little show last night by arresting a Senator for being in the street, briefly. This was some new lady, not Maria-Chappelle Nada, so many of the protestors see this as a PR stunt(for her, obviously). She was snatched up and taken inside the Firehouse, which was bizarre in itself, and her assistants/friends showed-up to claim she wasn't being allowed to use the restroom. Really questionable shit, got the core members disappointed in the prospect of folks trying to exploit their protests for their own gain.

[Salodin]

So you're saying you're aware of it, but ignore it because it doesn't support what you think is right.

[archibaldcrane]

The double bum rush theory is harder to believe than the angry cop continuing to shoot after surrender theory for some. That's all.

[kuronosan]

So you're saying you're aware of it, but ignore it because it doesn't support what you think is right.

He's saying it's so illogical that it can't possibly true.

[Salodin]

So we discard the whole testimony because we consider it illogical, but when we have testimonys that contradict each other we just turn our heads because?

I'm just curious cause the only thing camp Brown has going for it are witness testimonies that often contradict each other on top of contradicting testimony that would support Wilson. Which brings me to the point I made earlier in the thread, why are people "picking sides" when we don't know nearly enough at all.

[Enkidu]

Even the construction workers testimony claims Brown moved towards the cop...

[Salodin]

What's this? Two testimonies that say he ran towards the cop? That can't be, it isn't logical.

[NynJa]

I should start investing in tinfoil, the market value may start to skyrocket!!

I dont care for those witness accounts because I refuse to believe anything other than a racist cop executed an innocent black man and anything else is illogical

In contrast, the construction workers' video coming out so late means it matters less or maybe some actual tin-foiling is going that I don't know about, which thinks the video wasn't recorded at the time of death?

Pretty sure thats directed at me, because I said this:

The construction scene dialog seemed to hit the net around Sep 11. Why the wait?

I think its fucking hilarious you're accusing me of tin-foiling when you're the one thats been accusing this entire thing of being a huge conspiracy. I dont remember saying at any time that the construction site video wasnt recorded at the time of death, please go quote me if I did.

[kuronosan]

So we discard the whole testimony because we consider it illogical, but when we have testimonys that contradict each other we just turn our heads because?

I'm just curious cause the only thing camp Brown has going for it are witness testimonies that often contradict each other on top of contradicting testimony that would support Wilson. Which brings me to the point I made earlier in the thread, why are people "picking sides" when we don't know nearly enough at all.

You asked a question, I answered it. I was just telling you what he said.

[Eurell]

You asked a question, I answered it. I was just telling you what he said.

And he's just responding to that answer lol.

[Aksannyi]

It's almost like people make statements, invite comment, ask questions, and then get responses in a political forum thread.

[Salodin]

You asked a question, I answered it. I was just telling you what he said.

And he's just responding to that answer lol.

It's almost like people make statements, invite comment, ask questions, and then get responses in a political forum thread.

Yeah, I'm not blasting any one here; please don't take offense. Just wishing some one would illustrate why we ignore one witness while holding to gospel another. Punching a cop in the face isn't logical, but there's physical evidence that he did. Are we supposed to ignore this because it's illogical?

This is on top of all the posts from Bum that show witnesses saying otherwise. It's almost like we should wait to see what the grand jury says before deciding where we stand, since the evidence and testimony is all over the place.

[Melena]

But don't you know the grand jury, fbi, and everyone else is in the pockets of FPD.......

The ugly truth is there are only two people who know 100% what happened, and one of those two is dead. The other sad thing is if this was a black cop killing a white kid, we wouldn't have an 80 page thread right now. Honestly from what i've gathered from what's been posted, it's very possible the kid charged the cop, got shot, backed up, and possibly either decided to rush again or staggered forward due to his wounds and the cop already fearing for his life decided to end it at that point. If that is how it went down (and I really emphasize IF, since not all the evidence has been released yet) it's unfortunate, but what can happen if you do take a swing at a cop. Or you know, we can do the whole rational bit, let the whole FBI team do it's investigation and submit it to the grand jury and see what's up. But to think the feds are in on it is pretty laughable.

[notorious bum]

No, that narrative is not only cartoonish, it's patently false when weighing the evidence of 1)the distance in which his body was found from the car, 2)the audio recording of the shots confirming him being shot while fleeing, 3)Mike Brown's bullet holes confirming that he was EXECUTED with a bullet to the top of the dome.

Virtually every single step in this murder was a projection of Darren Wilson's aggression, multiple eyewitnesses confirming (including DW) that he backed-up, tried to get out of his vehicle, and started the confrontation all by himself. MB didn't bum rush a cop inside his car for his fucking gun, that is a ridiculous and impossible reaction. He didn't take a bullet and back up a few steps, he ran for his fucking life and caught another bullet after this cowboy, with obviously poor aim, nicked him again. The natural reaction to that isn't "oh, damn I got hit, let me turn around and fucking run towards the hail of bullets."

This neocon spin-machine is absolutely exhausting and redundant. I'm done with it until the FPD decides to leak more surprise evidence to fit DW's novella.

Meanwhile, I haven't seen anyone mention this fuckery, to go along with the pumpkin festival hypocrisy:

Mom and Daughter Beaten at Rams Game, Where's the Outrage?

[NynJa]

Meanwhile, I haven't seen anyone mention this fuckery, to go along with the pumpkin festival hypocrisy:

Mom and Daughter Beaten at Rams Game, Where's the Outrage?

I know this might be pretty fucking illogical to you, but people at a football game are there to see a football game, and support their local team with other members of the community who are there to support their football team. They arent there to deal with fucking protesters, considering they've dealt with that shit for the past two months. You are aware that protesters are pretty much shit disturbers who are trying to get attention for their cause. They didnt pay to deal with protesters screaming "LYNCH THE RACIST COP, HANDS UP DONT SHOOT", they paid to have a good time and cheer their team and scream "GO RAMS GO"

But once again, this is illogical to you, realistically the whole city should shut down and just focus on justice for Mike Brown.

[notorious bum]

Update: looks like the protestors hit the nail last night, the senator who was arrested, just showed-up for a dog and pony show:

Senator Nasheed released from jail; says her arrest was a message to protesters

[notorious bum]

I know this might be pretty fucking illogical to you, but people at a football game are there to see a football game, and support their local team with other members of the community who are there to support their football team. They arent there to deal with fucking protesters, considering they've dealt with that shit for the past two months. You are aware that protesters are pretty much shit disturbers who are trying to get attention for their cause. They didnt pay to deal with protesters screaming "LYNCH THE RACIST COP, HANDS UP DONT SHOOT", they paid to have a good time and cheer their team and scream "GO RAMS GO"

But once again, this is illogical to you, realistically the whole city should shut down and just focus on justice for Mike Brown.

And you're an idiot for thinking this protestor core, known as Lost Voices, made-up of predominately young, educated women, have been inciting violence or yelling anything about lynching cops lol You're also fucked-up for thinking it's okay to hit women and assault little girls. Go crawl back in your hole.

edit: also a parting tip: go read-up on some Dave Zirin articles to educate yourself on the history and importance of using sports as a platform to protest against political and social injustices. The politically/socially-neutral sports bubble facade has been crumbling steadily. The writing is on the walls, man.

[NynJa]

And you're an idiot for thinking this protestor core, known as Lost Voices, made-up of predominately young, educated women, have been inciting violence or yelling anything about lynching cops lol You're also fucked-up for thinking it's okay to hit women and assault little girls. Go crawl back in your hole.

Its so easy to piss you off thanks to your blind narrative. You really think the world should be put on hold until Justice for Mike Brown.

[Melena]

No, that narrative is not only cartoonish, it's patently false when weighing the evidence of 1)the distance in which his body was found from the car, 2)the audio recording of the shots confirming him being shot while fleeing, 3)Mike Brown's bullet holes confirming that he was EXECUTED with a bullet to the top of the dome.

Virtually every single step in this murder was a projection of Darren Wilson's aggression, multiple eyewitnesses confirming (including DW) that he backed-up, tried to get out of his vehicle, and started the confrontation all by himself. MB didn't bum rush a cop inside his car for his fucking gun, that is a ridiculous and impossible reaction. He didn't take a bullet and back up a few steps, he ran for his fucking life and caught another bullet after this cowboy, with obviously poor aim, nicked him again. The natural reaction to that isn't "oh, damn I got hit, let me turn around and fucking run towards the hail of bullets."

This neocon spin-machine is absolutely exhausting and redundant. I'm done with it until the FPD decides to leak more surprise evidence to fit DW's novella.

Meanwhile, I haven't seen anyone mention this fuckery, to go along with the pumpkin festival hypocrisy:

Mom and Daughter Beaten at Rams Game, Where's the Outrage?

So essentially what you are saying then with the evidence stating gun residue on his body (has to be at close range for that to happen), smeared his blood over himself and car, then dragged his body away from the car to the distance he is laying at? Jesus fuck, I'm all for getting corrupt cops off the street, but at this point Jesus Christ himself could descend from the heaven's, give a completely accurate and factual recount of what happened, and if it doesn't match your narrative that racist cop killed sweet innocent black kid in cold blood it's completely illogical and couldn't happen.

Also I never said he turned around and run. The assumption I made is that from blood loss he may have turned around with his hands up to surrender and stumbled forward, causing the cop to unload. If you've ever been wounded before, stumbling is something that can happen. Are you just that pants on head retarded?

And for the mom/daughter beaten at the rams game, where's the outrage for the guy who is now paralyzed after getting beaten at a niners game over a bathroom stall? Where's the outrage of an oakland resident who has now been shot in two different city's in a month and refuses to cooperate with the police to find out why he keeps getting shot? Where's the outrage of 3 people killed at a party, including a 17 year old due to being at the wrong place at wrong time cause a bunch of thugs decided they needed revenge against a rival gang member over an incident more than a month ago. Oh it doesn't involve a white cop killing a black kid so it's irrelevant to you. That's why.