The Ferguson, Missouri thread

[Salodin]

What does it matter if arrest rates are disproportionate? Lower income areas are going to have higher arrest rates period, and if these areas are populated by minorities, then stats will show minorities are arrested more. That doesn't mean they're targeting blacks, they're targeting people they can issue easy tickets and arrests to. It's not like they're illegally arresting people, which is what I feel like people are insinuating when they say blacks are disproportionately arrested.

[BaneTheBrawler]

You should read my last post, then, if that's what you think I'm saying.

[Salodin]

Eh, I mean in general. You obviously address it.

[Andalusian girls]

What does it matter if arrest rates are disproportionate? Lower income areas are going to have higher arrest rates period, and if these areas are populated by minorities, then stats will show minorities are arrested more. That doesn't mean they're targeting blacks, they're targeting people they can issue easy tickets and arrests to. It's not like they're illegally arresting people, which is what I feel like people are insinuating when they say blacks are disproportionately arrested.

the most misleadingly lazy way to approach the racially delineated disparities in crime stats in America is to cry look look institutional racism! and while that shit gets annoying, especially when middle class Caucasians in their first criminology course endlessly parrot it, the disparity does beg the question as to why certain minority groups are mired in multi-generational poverty, and shaped by the criminality that accompanies it, which further begs the question are we as a culture ok with that status quo.

[Nephlite]

not really. if you set up a checkpoint and hand out a shitton of tickets for non-DUI offenses, most of them are going to be vehicle maintenance related. This disproportionately affects low-income people, who can not afford to fully maintain their vehicles. If a disproportionate number of your low-income population is black, that means you're handing out tickets at a disproportionate rate. The same applies to arrests.

My point is, your kneejerk defense of unnamed departments you know nothing about is silly because you're assuming that racist arrest rates mean racist cops and that doesn't jive with the blue line. It is entirely possible for those departments to be 100% honest and still put out racist arrest rates because the system is rigged against black people because they make up a disproportionate percentage of the low-income population due to the aforementioned legacy of slavery/jim crow.

You're basing your whole argument over me talking about a DUI checkpoint? Didn't I JUST explain to you how a typical DUI checkpoint goes in my jurisdiction? Did I mention anywhere that I hand out tickets for anything OTHER than DUI related offenses? Did I JUST MENTION that DUI Checkpoints are BARELY legal, and setting up a surprise inspection station in the middle of a DUI taskforce is both brainless and stupid?

You say I lost my mind, and I'm pretty sure you've lost yours. Since when does a DUI checkpoint do anything in terms of garnering statistical data on arrest rates? And furthermore, why are you all over the place with this? How exactly did DUI enforcement turn in to a race/arrest bait issue? You're going in some pretty weird directions lately, and I suggest you do a little bit of fact checking and get some hard concrete data to support your claims. Everything you're claiming is nonsense based off satirical analysis with blanket generalizations based off of nothing. Are you purposely trying to start a fight?

This is not a new concept. Arrest rates in terms of demographics are directly proportional to the population index; you're going to cite and arrest more of a specific race if they are a majority in that region. Places like Ferguson Missouri and Detroit Michigan are going to show a more proportionate level of arrests in that region for blacks because there's MORE blacks in that region than any other region. Period. The BJS statistical data shows this. And even on the grander scale, more whites are arrested than blacks in America. Know why? There's more whites in America. If you compare the two numbers, it directly reflects the population index, so no one race gets more than the other.

Numbers and stats can be made up to reflect whatever agenda you want to, it just depends on what data you chose to cherrypick from your source.

the most misleadingly lazy way to approach the racially delineated disparities in crime stats in America is to cry look look institutional racism! and while that shit gets annoying, especially when middle class Caucasians in their first criminology course endlessly parrot it, the disparity does beg the question as to why certain minority groups are mired in multi-generational poverty, and shaped by the criminality that accompanies it, which further begs the question are we as a culture ok with that status quo.

Why is this a hard concept to grasp? Andalusian is touching on something I've been saying from Day One. Why are we okay with the way with the poverty levels of certain races? Why are we blaming one institution on these problems and not addressing the fact that even if you completely got rid of the police, these minorities still live in poverty and will still commit crimes because they're poor?

[Salodin]

Are we really ok with it? Or just pointing out the obvious? At this point idk why we're talking about this.

[Nephlite]

Are we really ok with it? Or just pointing out the obvious? At this point idk why we're talking about this.

I'm pointing out why people are concentrating on one side of the issue instead of focusing more on solving the real issue. It's not that people are okay with it, it's that it's easy to blame someone and fingerpoint, and it's incredibly difficult to address the real issue. Like Bane said, addressing the Jim Crowe Laws and institutionalization of minorities is the issue, but no one looks at it that way and focuses on that, and instead base their expectations on "fixing" the police departments.

[BaneTheBrawler]

The DUI checkpoint is just an example of how the use of police departments as revenue streams disproportionately targets low-income people, which translates into racial differences as well. Congratulations, you work for one of the few departments that isn't regarded as a revenue stream. You are not representative of the national trend. I might seem to be "all over the map" as you put it, but only because this is a complicated problem with a complicated answer. There is no magic bullet that will solve everything. It has to be fixed from multiple directions. And I never said you lost your mind, only that you reflexively toe the blue line. You want all other cops to be like you, but they're not. That's part of the problem. It's really hard to get people to trust cops (which is the only way the system can work) when the cops are targeting them (even unconsciously) and the bad apples are protected by those of you who identify so strongly as "cop" that the slightest insult/criticism of anyone called a "cop" makes you feel threatened.

However, "And even on the grander scale, more whites are arrested than blacks in America ... If you compare the two numbers, it directly reflects the population index, so no one race gets more than the other." is objectively, demonstrably false. I already linked my source for this.

[Not Kuno]

When is the court going to announce the verdict? This weekend?

[notorious bum]

Friday has been echoed a few times today and yesterday. Also, today is D-Day for Darren Wilson, if what Anonymous has is significant: http://www.inquisitr.com/1623199/fer...ampaign=buffer

This morning at like 6am, I believe, they said they were releasing info in 12 hours.

[kuronosan]

And that right there is the real reason for controlling the internet. Controlling information.

Whether it's legit or not, there's no doubt that all these efforts by corps to curb the flow of information is to prevent people from finding out (easily) truths that are otherwise buried under the rug.

[BaneTheBrawler]

nah, corporations dont care about that, they want to monetize the internet the same way they did radio.

[Salodin]

Guess we'll find out the truth in 3 hours, with the future of the case in the next 24-48 hours. Gonna be an interesting weekend nonetheless.

[kuronosan]

I'm actually intrigued.

[Salodin]

If I'm reading the Twitter pic right, they have info tying Wilson and his gf to the kkk, but won't release it to protect the identity of the whistle blower.

And this is why we don't bring click bait to this thread lol. I'd link, but on phone, etc.

[Melena]

Actually curious on this, but how easy would it be for Anon, just to completely destroy this guy, to falsify some shit to make him look like him and his gf are proud card carrying members of the KKK and it actually be false?

[BaneTheBrawler]

that's the scary thing about anon. no one really knows. i would imagine, though, that it would be pretty difficult to pull off and have it be credible. either there would be another person involved (communication with a member) or it would have to be internet history going back before the incident, and the other person could be compelled to testify. the internet history would be the only real vulnerability, i think, but i think it would be hard to backdate that sort of thing.

[Quicklet]

https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/stat...04467232940032

At St. Ann neighborhood watch meeting, 15 minutes from #Fergsuon, police tell residents to expect grand jury announcement on Sunday.

All police officers here in St. Ann will be on call as of Saturday morning, officials say.

[Sho]

Darren Wilson in negotiations to resign.

[BaneTheBrawler]

that's pretty much inevitable. dude is radioactive regardless of what happens