The Ferguson, Missouri thread

[archibaldcrane]

Shooting him dead is not standard procedures I'm sure, but at this point it's obvious the cop overreacted a bit.

So, why are you so confused about why people are protesting then?

[kuronosan]

Sal being Sal.

[vagus]

Reading curfew is in place. Is that legal? Lol.

[Callisto]

According to one witness? Wasn't there another one who said something completely different, more in line with what I said earlier.

According to three. One who live tweeted it as it happened.

[Kuya]

So, why are you so confused about why people are protesting then?

He's just Just Asking Questions

[Salodin]

The investigation is still not over, and before then it's still clear Brown did something wrong. I'm not justifying his death, but people are acting like the cop just got out of his car and said "which minority should I kill today?" The portrayal on the news doesn't help, which I guess is my main gripe.

When I hear about a cop killing an unarmed teenager, my first reaction isn't to go grab a pitchfork and rabble. I ask why he needed to grab his gun in the first place, and from what we know so far it does seem like unholstering his pistol was not the wrong choice.

It's probably just it's portrayal in the media, but for the first time today I heard some one I know mention it and they went off like it was an innocent saint getting gunned down by a racist. My first reaction was to go "holy crap I highly doubt that's how things went down".

[chazzyphizzle]

if only he had stopped at unholstering

[Kuya]

The investigation is still not over, and before then it's still clear Brown did something wrong. I'm not justifying his death, but people are acting like the cop just got out of his car and said "which minority should I kill today?" The portrayal on the news doesn't help, which I guess is my main gripe.

When I hear about a cop killing an unarmed teenager, my first reaction isn't to go grab a pitchfork and rabble. I ask why he needed to grab his gun in the first place, and from what we know so far it does seem like unholstering his pistol was not the wrong choice.

It's probably just it's portrayal in the media, but for the first time today I heard some one I know mention it and they went off like it was an innocent saint getting gunned down by a racist. My first reaction was to go "holy crap I highly doubt that's how things went down".

People aren't mad because the kid was a saint, they're mad because another unarmed black guy got shot by a cop.

[chazzyphizzle]

nobody is saying the kid was jesus, they are saying he shouldn't have been killed. you know, since he was more than 10 feet away from the officer and running away when he first got shot

[Melena]

Reading curfew is in place. Is that legal? Lol.

Depends on local and state law.

[Salodin]

nobody is saying the kid was jesus, they are saying he shouldn't have been killed. you know, since he was more than 10 feet away from the officer and running away when he first got shot

Running away after allegedly trying to grab the officers weapon.

[Salodin]

People aren't mad because the kid was a saint, they're mad because another unarmed black guy got shot by a cop.

This is what I'm talking about. With absolutely no context, it sounds horriblle and one sided. But with context? Ehhhh I'll wait till after the investigation to don my pitchfork.

[Uzor]

That part is unclear, though. There's a lot of shady shit.

Like the officer stating he identified him as being the robber and shooting him within 7 min - despite the official report saying they hadn't identified the robber yet - after the shooting. The official report also states he took him in for jaywalking, not the robbery. So he changed his story after it was known he was the robber. What's to say the "grabbing for gun" part also isn't made up?

[Enkidu]

Someone posted a video last night right after his death where a guy who saw everything clearly says Brown ran at the cop and got shot up... That's exactly the same story that's coming from the officer according to what I've read. The dude says he thought the cop was missing because he just kept running at the cop, then finally fell down. According to the cops friend the final shot was in the head and Brown was very close to the officer. So that's at least 2 similar stories one seemingly neutral (guy on the scene) and one with obvious bias (cops friend, who apparently got the story from the cops wife).

It's not surprising that there are so many different stories floating around, it's obviously a very emotionally charged event and sometimes people fill in gaps with what they thing happened. Autopsy will clear things up, cop obv. in the wrong if he was shot in the back.

[BaneTheBrawler]

Well, they kinda have to execute an unarmed black teenager to test that theory first.

true but that's kinda what i mean about atmosphere. you never see this shit happen in places where there's not already huge tension between cops and civilians.

[Uzor]

Whether he was shot from the front or the back will be easy enough to prove. The rest of the event will be harder.

If he was, in fact, shot in the back, that makes the cop's version very unreliable. So it would be very stupid of him to lie about that part at least.

[archibaldcrane]

Running away after allegedly trying to grab the officers weapon.

Why would a cop use lethal force against an unarmed guy running away? Why should society find that acceptable?

[Eurell]

Whether he was shot from the front or the back will be easy enough to prove. The rest of the event will be harder.

If he was, in fact, shot in the back, that makes the cop's version very unreliable. So it would be very stupid of him to lie about that part at least.

So people think this guy got shot in the back, then turned around? Instead of... idk, falling down? Like, He got shot, but it didn't hurt too much and he just turned around np. And then after he turns around the cop shoots him 6 more times?

[chazzyphizzle]

Running away after allegedly trying to grab the officers weapon.

oh is he going to try and grab it again from 10-15 feet away? the cop would have been justified in shooting the kid if they were wrestling in the car for his gun, but once the kid runs off the justification is gone

[Salodin]

Why would a cop use lethal force against an unarmed guy running away? Why should society find that acceptable?

Allegedly running away. Allegedly assaulted cop in his cruiser. Allegedly attacked cop after.

You're absolutely right if he did none of those though. But you come off as convinced when I don't see how you could be.