The Ferguson, Missouri thread

[NynJa]

Once again
Where were Browns fingerprints on the gun? Or are you afraid this "child" is going to debunk your tinfoil theories?

[Sho]

I think that's what bothers me about it. No cross-examining, basically they found Brown guilty and Wilson innocent. Which I'm fine with if that's what the evidence points to... But the evidence suggests either one could be culpable.

Worthy of a trial, but Neph has a point that it would be a dog and pony show at best.

I still think it should have went to trial.

I don't think I could said a response as eloquently myself, and you both share my sentiments. The entire thing was simply expedited as fast as possible, taking Wilson's side.

If that was the case, they'd examine his history with other blacks in Ferguson. Does he have a history of violence? Was he ever questioned about racist actions or remarks?

Iirc his record doesn't have anything in it to indicate he would go pulling a random black man from the street into his car window where he already has the disadvantage. Then again, maybe some one knows more about that subject.

Just because you have a seemingly spotless record doesn't mean he doesn't resent or even hate black people (other races).

[kuronosan]

Sal, it's public record in case you're interested in checking it out more. There were dozens of complaints filed against the officers of JPD for "corrupt, racist behavior".

[Aragon of Odin]

So his history of 'unbecoming behavior' is just simply that he was part of a police force that got disbanded?

[kuronosan]

Sure, let's just fit whatever narrative you want.

[NynJa]

Sure, let's just fit whatever narrative you want.

Calm down brat, dont act like the "fuck DW" crowd hasnt done that since day one.

[Salodin]

It's not evidence of a racist cop, but it's definitely a "people's eye brow", if you know what I mean.

[Sho]

Once again
Where were Browns fingerprints on the gun? Or are you afraid this "child" is going to debunk your tinfoil theories?

The gun wasn't even tested for fingerprints by the investigators, dude. Before that, Wilson didn't turn over his gun to investigators after the incident either.

This is common information now.

[kuronosan]

It's not evidence of a racist cop, but it's definitely a "people's eye brow", if you know what I mean.

I probably should have clarified that. It's not a smoking gun but it is something that should have been taken into consideration during the non-existent cross-examination.

[Sho]

I probably should have clarified that. It's not a smoking gun but it is something that should have been taken into consideration during the non-existent cross-examination.

McCulloch threw the case like a motherfucker to project the desired outcome. There's so many more holes in the investigation that hurts the DW's case. I mean the first cop on the scene to interview Wilson didn't even take notes on the incident and was called up nearly a month later to recount his notes from memory.

[Aragon of Odin]

Sure, let's just fit whatever narrative you want.

Huh?

You made a statement, is your statement based on the fact there was previous allegations towards him himself, or are you just labeling him because he was part of a department that got disbanded? It was a serious question.

[kuronosan]

Huh?

You made a statement, is your statement based on the fact there was previous allegations towards him himself, or are you just labeling him because he was part of a department that got disbanded? It was a serious question.

Sorry. I clarified above. The entire department was dismissed all for the same reasons.

I would have to look at the public record to see if he specifically was guilty.

There is one thing worth noting: they were allowed to reapply and he was the only one to go to Ferguson instead.

[archibaldcrane]

I'm not even sure what the evidence is that Brown touched the gun - anyone have a link?

[Aragon of Odin]

I think it was along the lines of he had marking on his hand that were consistent with those of having your hand on the top of the gun while it was fired.

[Sepukku]

Its long been known since the GJ was first convened, but it bears repeating as every additional mockery of justice is revealed during the GJ review - the prosecutor's dad, a white cop, was killed on duty when he was a kid by a black man. So when I see things like an "accidentally" used outdated statute that gives far greater lethal force authorization, I see an outdated statute that gives far greater lethal force authorization being given, possibly intentionally, by the office of a man who cannot be reasonably trusted to fairly prosecute white cop vs black guy crimes.

[Salodin]

Its long been known since the GJ was first convened, but it bears repeating as every additional mockery of justice is revealed during the GJ review - the prosecutor's dad, a white cop, was killed on duty when he was a kid by a black man. So when I see things like an "accidentally" used outdated statute that gives far greater lethal force authorization, I see an outdated statute that gives far greater lethal force authorization being given, possibly intentionally, by the office of a man who cannot be reasonably trusted to fairly prosecute white cop vs black guy crimes.

I can't agree with this. Just because the dudes dad was killed by a minority doesn't mean he can't make an unbiased decision in cases involving interracial murder. That's asinine.

When he was talking during the news conference, he made it a point to show that he had very little to do with the actual presenting of evidence to the grand jury. Just how much participation did he have? Was most of this done by his two assistants? Is there any mention of this anywhere, because all I see in this thread and the news is talk about him, and not the two assistants that afaik did all the work, which is what he made it seem like in the news conference.

[Sepukku]

I can't agree with this. Just because the dudes dad was killed by a minority doesn't mean he can't make an unbiased decision in cases involving interracial murder. That's asinine.

When he was talking during the news conference, he made it a point to show that he had very little to do with the actual presenting of evidence to the grand jury. Just how much participation did he have? Was most of this done by his two assistants? Is there any mention of this anywhere, because all I see in this thread and the news is talk about him, and not the two assistants that afaik did all the work, which is what he made it seem like in the news conference.

Doesnt mean he can or cant, it means he can't be trusted to. You can't have the same degree of certainty as a prosecutor who didn't go through that.

And I never said he presented the evidence/statute/etc. I said BY THE OFFICE OF A MAN.

As you said, they are HIS assistants. As in, he is their boss.

Thank you for reading between lines that weren't even in there and completely missing the point of my post.

The man should've recused himself, simply put.

[Nephlite]

Honestly, putting it all on merely a race issue is not the way to show a clearly defined pattern of of bias in proceedings.

Lets be honest, if McCullen clearly showed bias prior to this proceeding, cherry picking a bias that happened well before his established career is asinine. You have almost no timeline or evidence of bias in his decision making other than something that happened to him as a child. That's a long time to decide his own upbringing as an adult, and pays tribute to his ability to cope and move beyond his tensions that may be perceived.

[archibaldcrane]

Honestly, putting it all on merely a race issue is not the way to show a clearly defined pattern of of bias in proceedings.

Lets be honest, if McCullen clearly showed bias prior to this proceeding, cherry picking a bias that happened well before his established career is asinine. You have almost no timeline or evidence of bias in his decision making other than something that happened to him as a child. That's a long time to decide his own upbringing as an adult, and pays tribute to his ability to cope and move beyond his tensions that may be perceived.

Yeah, the race issue is likely a distant second to the fact that Wilson is a cop, and there's a clear nationwide pattern of not indicting cops.

[6souls]

Sorry. I clarified above. The entire department was dismissed all for the same reasons.

I would have to look at the public record to see if he specifically was guilty.

There is one thing worth noting: they were allowed to reapply and he was the only one to go to Ferguson instead.

Let's add a source to this. I originally read about it on Huff Post, but I'm not going to link to them.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...390_story.html