The Ferguson, Missouri thread

[Nephlite]

Where did the whole "Hands up, Don't shoot!" angle come from? Did Brown legitimately say that or is it one of those if they repeat it enough times it becomes real type deal?

It's something they started because a witness said his hands were up when he was shot. Idiodic, and stupid since it was proven his hands weren't up through the forensics and the witness that said his hands were up turned out to be a liar.

This whole thing has turned in to a metric ton of fuckery. Despite the facts, the evidence, and the proof that the original provokers of this mess turning out to be liars, people are still running with what is equivocal to a lie. Living a lie is better than living in fear I suppose.

Good thing, he'll need it to pay for the inevitable civil lawsuits to come. And the moving around. And repairs for the inevitable "justice for Brown" people who will likely end up hounding him for years, vandalizing his home, terrorizing his family, and in general doing their best to ruin the man.

He's fucked for life. Innocent or not.

I dunno where people are getting that he's suddenly rich. Most of the money donated was put in a trust for his legal defense. He can't touch it. His wife probably isn't working, and he didn't get his severance package. I guarantee Michael Brown's parents aren't living too bad nowadays.

Wrong. Racists have plenty more money where that came from.

How come you're not rich?

[Thunder]

Where/why is he going to get millions of dollars? I don't think book deals are that lucrative... even best-sellers have blogs out there where they're complaining about revenues. That twilight lady made 0$ profits from one of her books (can't remember which, it's in one of her blogs)

Am I missing something on how publishers work? Or how rights to sell someone else's story are somehow super lucrative? Does it have to do with interviews/etc as well?

Books afaik are not money making machines

Edit: oh fuck, donations. I didn't see that lol

[Nephlite]

I didn't even know he was trying to sell a book. Is that legit or more BS?

[Lucavi]

The book is titled "If I Did It."

OJ's about to file a lawsuit.

[Karbuncle]

How come you're not rich?

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[notorious bum]

lol Neph, even the mockery of what was this GJ hearing proves MB had his hands up. Nice try, though, with your incessant denial of every single witness account, besides DW's contradictory tales. That data dump strategy confuses the feeble-minded, but you're probably best patrolling Reddit for suckers, not many taking the bait here.

Long live the double bum-rush theory and the magical demon negro saga.

[Karbuncle]

lol Neph, even the mockery of what was this GJ hearing proves MB had his hands up. Nice try, though, with your incessant denial of every single witness account, besides DW's contradictory tales. That data dump strategy confuses the feeble-minded, but you're probably best patrolling Reddit for suckers, not many taking the bait here.

Long live the double bum-rush theory and the magical demon negro saga.

Every word you breathe is more racist than anything I've heard in this entire case, or in my life. Are you aware of your hypocrisy or is being racist only something the white devils can do?

Also as far as your pictures there... some of those witnesses claimed he both Charged him and had his hands up. I know they're not mutually exclusive but, was he charging at him with his hands up or something bear style? I don't deny he could have had his hands up but witnesses are every bit as susceptible to lying or bluring their understand of the incident (even accidentally) as those evil police are, which is why there are so many conflicting statements in that.

I won't deny that there are more people saying "Hands up" than other columns however, and I'm not dismissing it. I just have the forensics to consider as well not just a worded chart, so In my head I'm not painting him as a rabid dog attacking the policemen, but I'm more inclined to believe forensics than "eye witnesses" in any case since eye witnesses can even unwillingly misinterpret a situation due to the chaos both during and the trauma of experiencing it after.

[notorious bum]

Every word you breathe is more racist than anything I've heard in this entire case, or in my life. Are you aware of your hypocrisy or is being racist only something the white devils can do?

Also as far as your pictures there... some of those witnesses claimed he both Charged him and had his hands up. I know they're not mutually exclusive but, was he charging at him with his hands up or something bear style? I don't deny he could have had his hands up but witnesses are every bit as susceptible to lying or bluring their understand of the incident (even accidentally) as those evil police are, which is why there are so many conflicting statements in that.

I won't deny that there are more people saying "Hands up" than other columns however, and I'm not dismissing it. I just have the forensics to consider as well not just a worded chart, so In my head I'm not painting him as a rabid dog attacking the policemen, but I'm more inclined to believe forensics than "eye witnesses" in any case since eye witnesses can even unwillingly misinterpret a situation due to the chaos both during and the trauma of experiencing it after.

You can thank Bobby for his flawless handling as a prosecutor and the incompetent investigators for never getting to answer the trove of questions involved with this case.

Don't get all "reverse racism" with me for connecting the dots on this circus. When you brush off racist dog whistles and behavioral patterns that surround these events, then you are essentially saying you don't think racism has anything to do with Ferguson and the movement that has spurred around the nation. I would say you'd be in the minority here with that POV.

[Thunder]

I didn't even know he was trying to sell a book. Is that legit or more BS?

I thought someone mentioned book deals here a bit ago and I saw a lot of friends (the arms length type) talking about it on FB today so.... yeah

NVM my post. I have no idea if he is or isn't

[Ksandra]

The book is titled "If I Did It."

OJ's about to file a lawsuit.

Interestingly enough, OJ got zero dollars for that book. Don't think Casey Anthony got enough to cover her losses either.

I have said it for other cases. Wilson's life is fucked. I am fine with that.

[Nephlite]

lol Neph, even the mockery of what was this GJ hearing proves MB had his hands up. Nice try, though, with your incessant denial of every single witness account, besides DW's contradictory tales. That data dump strategy confuses the feeble-minded, but you're probably best patrolling Reddit for suckers, not many taking the bait here.

Long live the double bum-rush theory and the magical demon negro saga.

You're a moron.

It was PROVEN that most of the witnesses on the Grand Jury were liars. One of them wasn't even in the city! Hell, Dorian Johnson even recanted his statement that Wilson was the aggressor! Your chart means dick!

Jesus Christ dude.

[Krandor]

You're a moron.

It was PROVEN that most of the witnesses on the Grand Jury were liars. One of them wasn't even in the city! Hell, Dorian Johnson even recanted his statement that Wilson was the aggressor! Your chart means dick!

Jesus Christ dude.

They were only proven wrong because it was a big conspiracy by the white man. Get with the times.

[notorious bum]

Yes, I am well aware of this revelation.. Hence, all witness testimonies are invalid, except DW's, of course. You think Bob made a boo-boo by shoving every "witness" he could find in front of the GJ?

[Karbuncle]

You can thank Bobby for his flawless handling as a prosecutor and the incompetent investigators for never getting to answer the trove of questions involved with this case.

Don't get all "reverse racism" with me for connecting the dots on this circus. When you brush off racist dog whistles and behavioral patterns that surround these events, then you are essentially saying you don't think racism has anything to do with Ferguson and the movement that has spurred around the nation. I would say you'd be in the minority here with that POV.

Racism is racism no matter how you justify it, and any racism toward any race is only going to further perpetuate the issue, not solve it. Sorry, you're still part of the problem.

I don't deny the existence of racism and that it does exist in our police force, Hell I don't deny that the seeds of racism are in me, as my childhood wasn't exactly teaming with positive black influences, however I like to believe I've changed as I know have a lot of positive influences and I've learned from the stupidity of my youth. Though I still get quite angry when people try to make it seem like only white people are racist and that every crime is racially motivated. Not by you entirely mind you NB, but... it carries with me sometimes.

Further, I do not doubt that sometimes crimes or action can be wholly racially motivated... But I don't believe Wilson killed Mike out of racist intent or that it was every about him being White, and Mike black. Now, the events following even I admitted earlier in this thread seemed fishy since information was sparse and all we had was "Eye witness", which is why back then my view was more "I guess we'll wait to see when all the information is available". Now it is, and its difficult for me to dismiss physical evidence because some witnesses, who even conflict with themselves, say so.

[Nephlite]

I think you're making a boo boo by not reading the fucking indictment and basing your opinion on whatever news source pops on your Facebook feed.

[Xno Kappa]

Yes, I am well aware of this revelation.. Hence, all witness testimonies are invalid, except DW's, of course. You think Bob made a boo-boo by shoving every "witness" he could find in front of the GJ?

All witness testimonies are invalid other than DW? Where was that stated in the Grand Jury? And what's with the quotations around the word "witness." Are you trying to insinuate the prosecutor went out of his way to purposely have less than credible witnesses testify?

[notorious bum]

All witness testimonies are invalid other than DW? Where was that stated in the Grand Jury? And what's with the quotations around the word "witness." Are you trying to insinuate the prosecutor went out of his way to purposely have less than credible witnesses testify?

Gee, you think the prosecutor did an honest to goodness job with how he handled the case?

Am I the only one who read most of these transcripts? The soft line of questioning towards DW(and grilling of Dorian, in contrast), the lack of cross-examining, this is all business as usual, I guess. I mean, even ignoring procedural fuck-ups and how NORMAL GJ hearings are a grand slam for prosecutors, the fundamentals of this trial are an absolute joke. If you think otherwise, then I prefer to leave this conversation as it stands.

[Salodin]

The first half of this thread had you preaching DWs guilt based off more witnesses then you had digits to count on. Now that they're all proven liars in one way or another you come out with another reason to bring your racism to this thread.

There's a reason why people aren't up in arms with you, and it's not because they're racist black haters.

[Headspace]

Interestingly enough, OJ got zero dollars for that book. Don't think Casey Anthony got enough to cover her losses either.

I have said it for other cases. Wilson's life is fucked. I am fine with that.

He did make half a million dollars because of racists in kick starter.

Plus whatever he gets for his tv interviews

[Nephlite]

He did make half a million dollars because of racists in kick starter.

Plus whatever he gets for his tv interviews

There's no proof he got paid for those interviews, and I believe someone mentioned that it's not a norm to pay people for interviews unless they're an expert (I.e. a doctor explaining a medical procedure).

The Kickstarter and Go-fund were for his legal defense. They're very specific about the criteria for its usage, and the company can hold the assets indefinitely until the criteria is met, or the need for the asset is no longer there. They don't just give people money. They fund very specific things and hold the assets so the party can accomplish a goal.