The Ferguson, Missouri thread

[kuronosan]

Gee, you think the prosecutor did an honest to goodness job with how he handled the case?

Am I the only one who read most of these transcripts? The soft line of questioning towards DW(and grilling of Dorian, in contrast), the lack of cross-examining, this is all business as usual, I guess. I mean, even ignoring procedural fuck-ups and how NORMAL GJ hearings are a grand slam for prosecutors, the fundamentals of this trial are an absolute joke. If you think otherwise, then I prefer to leave this conversation as it stands.

Stop going full retard. Seriously.

[tyven]

whats the source on "all" or "most" witnesses lying? i thought it was "some" or "many"? i havent actually looked for the number or source so this is a legit question. thanks super sleuths.

also this fucking dipstick karbuncle has a lot to learn about racism vs prejudice

[Nephlite]

Gee, you think the prosecutor did an honest to goodness job with how he handled the case?

Am I the only one who read most of these transcripts? The soft line of questioning towards DW(and grilling of Dorian, in contrast), the lack of cross-examining, this is all business as usual, I guess. I mean, even ignoring procedural fuck-ups and how NORMAL GJ hearings are a grand slam for prosecutors, the fundamentals of this trial are an absolute joke. If you think otherwise, then I prefer to leave this conversation as it stands.

You read only what someone else read for you and interpreted. These armchair experts in Grand Jury proceedings know next to nothing about Missouri Law, and apply their policies, procedures, and opinions based off of what they may, or may not have experienced in their courtroom 2-3000 miles away. The other thing? Indicting someone does not mean guilty, boneheads. You would be even more pissed when Wilson was acquitted on all charges at trial.

[Headspace]

There's no proof he got paid for those interviews, and I believe someone mentioned that it's not a norm to pay people for interviews unless they're an expert (I.e. a doctor explaining a medical procedure).

The Kickstarter and Go-fund were for his legal defense. They're very specific about the criteria for its usage, and the company can hold the assets indefinitely until the criteria is met, or the need for the asset is no longer there. They don't just give people money. They fund very specific things and hold the assets so the party can accomplish a goal.

A dude got 50k for potato salad. Kickstarter does what they want.

And he WILL get paid for that 20/20 interview he does a year from now. Guarantee it.

But keep trying to excuse every fucking thing about Darren Wilson. Holy shit.

[notorious bum]

Neph knows all. He knows that I know that I didn't read those transcripts, only took the word of amateur attorneys and commentators.

Also, you will probably need to consult the neocon networks like the Blaze for just how many witness accounts are considered completely false or contradictory. Please refrain from searching those sites for the erroneous accounts of DW's testimony or the prosecutions many blunders.

[Quicklet]

It was PROVEN that most of the witnesses on the Grand Jury were liars. One of them wasn't even in the city! Hell, Dorian Johnson even recanted his statement that Wilson was the aggressor! Your chart means dick!

I'm sorry, you keep saying this, but you have yet to point out where in the transcripts the justification/evidence for this claim is. Are you referring to, for example, the witness who claimed he saw Michael Brown charging who initially reported to police he was "100 yards, maybe less" away from the encounter who then later testified that he was only "50 to 75 yards away"? Should we discount that testimony because he clearly changed some of the details from his initial account to his final testimony?

It's perplexing to me how people will take authority to be infallible when there are still plenty of unresolved, relevant questions to be asked.

[BaneTheBrawler]

You're a moron.

fucking dipstick

boneheads

Cool it. Discuss, don't berate.

[notorious bum]

I'm sorry, you keep saying this, but you have yet to point out where in the transcripts the justification/evidence for this claim is. Are you referring to, for example, the witness who claimed he saw Michael Brown charging who initially reported to police he was "100 yards, maybe less" away from the encounter who then later testified that he was only "50 to 75 yards away"? Should we discount that testimony because he clearly changed some of the details from his initial account to his final testimony?

It's perplexing to me how people will take authority to be infallible when there are still plenty of unresolved, relevant questions to be asked.

Precisely. He has spouted this opinion, which originates from the mainly conservative sources, so many times, yet it holds about as much weight as DW's life-threatening injury fantasy.

Also, I forgot to note on another thing Neph has brought up again, that this wasn't an actual criminal trial and that double jeopardy doesn't apply here. A special prosecutor can pick this case right up and take it to trial.

[Xantavia]

lol Neph, even the mockery of what was this GJ hearing proves MB had his hands up. Nice try, though, with your incessant denial of every single witness account, besides DW's contradictory tales. That data dump strategy confuses the feeble-minded, but you're probably best patrolling Reddit for suckers, not many taking the bait here.

Long live the double bum-rush theory and the magical demon negro saga.

Do you have a chart with the responses of all the 64 witnesses? If all the rest of them say he didn't have his hands up, would you change your opinion? All I got from that chart is 1) I had no idea how many people were eye-witnesses to the shooting and 2) we have at least 64 witnesses with 64 different accounts of what actually happened.

[Headspace]

Sounds like something that should be cross examined at a trial

[archibaldcrane]

Can someone quote where "forensics proved he didn't have his hands up"?

[Acevalefor]

Can someone quote where "forensics proved he didn't have his hands up"?

I read most of the summary GJ information. All three of the autopsies were inconclusive on the position of his hands. The forensic report supposes that his hands were either in front of him, to the side partially raised, or in front of his face at different points in the event. There were only 3 reliable corroborating witness testimonies that do anything to shed light on Brown's stance. They say he either turned toward Wilson and stumbled forward or advanced forward. At the point that Brown was stumbling or advancing, Wilson was still closing distance. The final shots were fired with approximately 15 feet between Wilson and Brown.

[archibaldcrane]

Because 17 witnesses vs. 2 is a probable cause LANDSLIDE.

[Karbuncle]

Were there really 64 people within witnessing range of this? Even more so with clear unobstructed view?

[archibaldcrane]

64 witnesses testifying doesn't mean they were all eyewitnesses. If you call, for example, a medical examiner, or forensics expert, they get numbers too.

[Salodin]

What would they charge him with if they took him to trial? Is a civil suit, which he will more then likely lose, not enough for people? I don't think he's "innocent" per say, but I don't feel he's guilty of premeditated murder, which is a stipulation for most if not all the charges they were looking to indict him of.

[kuronosan]

I think you're a little overstepped here. No one thinks it was premeditated.

[Salodin]

I've tried googling many terms, but I can't find specifically what the charges were that were bought to the GJ. Iirc they were all related to murder, one of which was first degree which needs to be premeditated.

[kuronosan]

Herpderp. No wonder it didn't stick.

[Salodin]

Obviously that one wouldn't stick from the get go, but I wish I could remember specifically what the other ones were. Or at the very least, when I google "What charges were bought against Darren Wilson" I'd get something other then what I get lol.