The Ferguson, Missouri thread

[Nephlite]

While everyone is distracted by the nation-wide protests that were ramped-up after the Eric Garner GJ verdict, for the past few nights the National Guard have gone from stationary or passive intimidation duties to actively arresting and making threats towards protestors in Ferguson. The main livestreamers are in NYC, but there are some others streaming in their place. You can get updates from this list: https://twitter.com/Rebelutionary_Z/...n-on-the-scene

And now people are going to feel what real riot control tactics are. Praying for no deaths.

[notorious bum]

There's nothing that resembles rioting in Ferguson. The aggressiveness by the police and NG are most likely a direct result of less media attention being paid to them. I've jumped on the streams in Ferguson the past few nights, all the protesting is taking place outside the FPD. The police and NG are doing the old snatch-and-grab tactics, but much more aggressive in the fact that they continue to arrest random folks that are never in the streets, many times on the private parking lot that sits across the PD. Occasionally some protestors will cross the street to piss them off, then the cops will retaliate against the entire crowd, arresting those who never left the sidewalk.

Anyway, I find it ironic that they are so aggressive in Ferguson about blocking the street, meanwhile protestors march all up and down streets across the nation.

With that said, I found a nice compilation of inconvenient facts for those who may be have seen the recent conservative victim-blaming stats/talking points.

Black on Black Crime Facts

Black-on-Black homicides have decreased by 67% in 20 years, a sharper rate of decrease than white on white homicide.
According to FBI statistics 7361 Blacks were killed by fellow African-Americans in 1991. In 2011, it dropped dramatically to 2447 African-Americans.
Among Black youth, rates of robbery and serious property offenses are the lowest in more than 40 years.

Racial Inequality in the Criminal Justice System Facts

African Americans were two times as likely to be arrested and almost four times as likely to experience the use of force during encounters with the police.

In the federal system Black offenders receive sentences that are 10% longer than white offenders for the same crime.

Five times as many Whites are using drugs as African Americans, yet African Americans are sent to prison for drug offenses at 10 times the rate of Whites.

African Americans are incarcerated at nearly six times the rate of Whites.

African American juvenile youth are about 16% of the youth population, 37% of their cases are moved to criminal court & 58% of convicted African
American youth are sent to adult prisons.

Controlling for other factors, including severity of the offense and prior criminal history, white men aged 18-29 were 38% less likely to be sentenced to prison than their Black male peers.

African American women are three times more likely than white women to be incarcerated.

African American defendants are 21% more likely to receive mandatory-minimum sentences than Whites and are 20% more like to be sentenced to prison.

Sources are linked within the text, it's poorly done because they didn't separate/highlight the links within the text. http://www.demos.org/blog/7/29/13/my...crime-epidemic

[Rhinox]

Myth you say? Wonder what is causing all murders here in chiraq then. Must be the pissed off white bears fans killing each other

Thanks for clearing that up though.

[notorious bum]

Weird, I didn't see those statistics focus on specific outliers with obviously higher crime rates. Why, I think that might skew the numbers.... kinda like how Fox News likes to do...

[Rhinox]

So you're saying it's not a myth in Chicago? Phew. For about an hour you had me worried I wouldn't be able to walk outside my Lincoln Park apartment complex for fear of being a victim of white on white crime.


Lollapalooza is back on the table for next year tyven.

[notorious bum]

You must have only read the title and ignored the entire list of data. My post was a simple rebuttal to the misinformation peddled on the mainstream media to further the narrative that black people, despite being only 14%? of the population, are inherently more dangerous and black-on-black crime is the real problem here, not racist cops. I don't have access to cable TV, but I've seen this talking point everywhere I go, online and off. Numbers matter, especially when so-called liberals spew that #AllLivesMatter nonsense in response to the outcry of black injustices against LE and the prison industrial complex.

[archibaldcrane]

67% reduction in black on black violence is huge and not to be brushed aside.

However, even with that huge reduction there is a long way to go - blacks still have more total murders than whites despite there being less than a quarter as many blacks as whites in America.

[Byrthnoth]

When I saw Archi's stat I immediately suspected that it was just raw numbers that weren't corrected for SES, but Google tells me that people in 1997 suspected it was not due to SES differences:
http://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/ha...pdf?sequence=2 (page 332)


On an unrelated note, we really need to stop validating the paranoid delusions of our nation's schizophrenics on a regular basis. First we had the NSA ("the government is listening to what we say") and now we have the cops ("cops can just kill you and get away with it"). Next the government will somehow prove that everyone is secretly either the Queen of England, JFK, or Elvis and they'll be totally validated.

[archibaldcrane]

There's a large group of "unknown race" which could skew some.

What's SES?

[thetruepandagod]

There's a large group of "unknown race" which could skew some.

Unknown doesn't really seem too relevant in homicide at least.(2011 a bit dated but meh)



There is also the potential issue that a fair amount of hispanics are and have been classified as white for several decades and inflate the white crime statistics.
http://www.futurity.org/skewed-stats...crime-reports/

Also an image i kinda snafu'd resizing.

Spoiler: show

They are all listed as white if you can't read antsize

[Rhinox]

Unknown doesn't really seem too relevant in homicide at least.(2011 a bit dated but meh)



There is also the potential issue that a fair amount of hispanics are and have been classified as white for several decades and inflate the white crime statistics.
http://www.futurity.org/skewed-stats...crime-reports/

Also an image i kinda snafu'd resizing.

Spoiler: show

They are all listed as white if you can't read antsize

What should Hispanics be classified as? Hispanic isn't a race it's an ethnicity.

[Rhinox]

Example : Sammy Sosa

Black Hispanic.

Guillermo del Toro

White Hispanic.

[thetruepandagod]

I don't know really since

Currently, the United States Census Bureau defines five race categories:[10]

White or Caucasian
Black or African American
Native American or Alaska Native
Asian
Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander

Spoiler: show

The only race is the human race friend.

[Rhinox]

Just trying to clarify. So people should be classified by country of ancestral origin?

[Quicklet]

First we had the NSA ("the government is listening to what we say") and now we have the cops ("cops can just kill you and get away with it").

There's a huge difference between wanting transparency and accountability in government (officials and police are not supposed to be above the law) and nut-talk about how the government's spraying chemicals into the air to affect people or plotting to take everyone's guns away.

[thetruepandagod]

Just trying to clarify. So people should be classified by country of ancestral origin?

I wouldn't mind seeing a break up of irish/scottish/german heritage specific crime rates but that may be a bit too much. I vaguely recall registering for classes online and seeing a "white Caucasian" "Hispanic Caucasian" option to check when signing up. Something like that may lead to more accurate statistics.

Personally I would love any and all statistics to the point of absurdity but that is just me and not possible in reality.

[kuronosan]

It's continental when you think about it.

Africa
Native Islander (Polynesia, etc)
American Indian/Eskimo
Europe
Asia

[Restrat]

Depending on the government agency, some Hispanic people are classified by their country of origin and nothing with their race.
I do HIV testing, and even if someone says "white" but they are from the DR (we ask both), they are entered into the system as black-hispanic. It's the opposite from someone from PR.

[kuronosan]

I have to identify as White Latino.

[Andalusian girls]

Spaniards really made a mess of criminology statistics with their race mixing huh

but we did get chile rellenos out of it so i suppose we shall forgive their transgressions