The Ferguson, Missouri thread

[6souls]

Curfew will be broken, Violence will be met with Violence

At a press conference attended by angry members of the community, Missouri Governor Jay Nixon declared a state of emergency and curfew in Ferguson this afternoon after violence flared on the streets in the early hours of the morning.

The curfew will last from midnight Saturday through 5AM Sunday — and officials did not specify how long the emergency would last.

Protesters at the press conference met the announcement with anger and frustration, yelling at the governor that the people of Ferguson wanted "justice" not curfews, and complaining that the police officer who killed 18-year-old Michael Brown — the incident which sparked the week of protest — has not been arrested.

"The only reason people have been in the street for a week now is that they want justice," someone shouted.

Capt. Johnson, of Highway Patrol, said that officers would not enforce the curfew with tear gas but would "talk to people" instead — though breaking curfew would theoretically constitute enough grounds for arrest.

Johnson also said that FBI agents went door to door in the residential community where Brown was shot on August 9, "trying to find other witnesses."

Speaking with VICE News, some Ferguson residents said they had no plans to stay at home on Saturday night.

"I don't think this is gonna be nice at all. Violence will be met with violence," one of them told VICE News after the conference. "They shouldn't have shown the tape." He was referring to the surveillance video released by police earlier today that allegedly shows Brown stealing $50-worth of cigars from a local convenience store

He also said protesters would likely come in, past curfew, from different parts of Saint Louis — "just to tell the motherfucking government, 'Fuck you.'"

Another evening of large, peaceful protests on Friday took a turn for the worse early today as small groups of people confronted police and some individuals broke into several stores.

Tensions in the St. Louis suburb flared up again after an almost festive reaction to a shift in police response earlier. Highway Patrol officers took over control of the area on Thursday after widespread criticism of the local force's aggressive response to residents protesting Brown's fatal police shooting.

Spoiler: show

Earlier on Friday, police identified Darren Wilson as the officer who killed Brown on August 9, but at the same time released the surveillance video.

That store was broken into and looted this morning — despite efforts by dozens of protesters to keep looters out.

Police cited Brown as a primary suspect in the robbery last Saturday, sparking angry protests from local residents who accused the department of running a "smear campaign" against the teenager to justify the killing.

People in Ferguson were skeptical of the video's authenticity and argued that petty theft is no excuse for "execution."

"Not only did you murder him but now you draw up this story?" Mark Evans, a 43-year-old father of three teens, told VICE News. "I'm sure they took a lot of time to contemplate and put the story together. We were waiting to see what they would come up with to justify this, and this doesn't justify anything anyway."

Evans was one of several witnesses who heard the shots that killed Brown and came to the scene. He suggested that by moving the "crime scene" over to the convenience store, police were trying to steer attention away from witnesses' accounts of Brown dropping to his knees with his hands raised when he was shot.

"It's sad to say it wouldn't shock me if they let [Wilson] loose, because he's one of their own," Evans added. "But remember, they slaughtered him. One, two shots maybe, but they slaughtered him."

Many questioned the timing of the video's release — with some charging the Ferguson Police Department of sabotaging efforts to bring peace to the neighborhood. Others said the robbery was unrelated to the shooting.

The Department of Justice, which launched a separate investigation into Brown's death, had reportedly asked police not to release the video.

Capt. Ron Johnson, of Highway Patrol — the face of police's de-escalation efforts in Ferguson — told VICE News on Friday that he had not known the details of the police report's release, and found out about it from the media.

"At this point I don't know the why… But I don't know if I'm gonna get an answer that's really going to satisfy the why," Johnson said about the release of the video. He said his officers would continue to show restraint but agreed the release would negatively impact efforts to keep the peace.

"Last night we were able to build a lot of things up, I think we've taken a couple steps back here and we need to talk about that," Johnson added.

Privately, other Highway Patrol officers said the release was poorly timed, and added that there had been "bad feelings" over authorities' decision to relieve St. Louis County Police of control of Ferguson.

As the Ferguson Market liquor store — where Brown allegedly stole the cigars — was broken into early today, protesters on the scene accused looters of being outsiders, taking advantage of the situation, but also criticized police for giving them an excuse to do so.

"The police fucked this up by saying Mike Brown stole from here," one of several protesters that barricaded the liquor store in a failed attempt to keep looters out, told VICE News. "What you see in here, they're rats. We don't steal people's shit, we work for it. That's what real black men do."

Tensions ran high throughout the night, as several groups faced off. Some protesters walked up to police lines and threw Molotov cocktails — to which police responded with tear gas at least once. Volunteers, including several members of the New Black Panthers, desperately attempted to push protesters back.

Later, as looters arrived — from outside Ferguson and alerted by social media of rising tensions, locals said — groups of young protesters attempted to stop them and keep them out of stores, despite being threatened with shooting.

A young woman, almost in tears, complained that the media had focused on the looting following Brown's death, rather than on the community's efforts to keep looters and "outside opportunists" away.

"This is not us," she said after leaving a store she and others had tried to protect from looters — but stopped when threatened with shooting. "Did you see how peaceful it was earlier?"

https://news.vice.com/article/state-...ns-flare-again
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/16/us/mis...teen-shooting/
https://twitter.com/ProjectTakeBck

Also, Tim Pool (from Vice) will be live streaming again if shit goes down. He can be followed at;

https://twitter.com/Timcast & http://instagram.com/timcast

Also, the source of the above image can be found at: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ael-Brown.html

[NynJa]

I think its time to put a EPA dome over that city and just blow it off the map, simpsons style

[Karbuncle]

I hear Molotov cocktails are switch bringers of justice.

looting too.

[6souls]

Police are blocking turn lanes leading to where the protests have been held

http://instagram.com/p/ryBE_BL5vz/

[notorious bum]

What, you thought this curfew meant that order will be restored and everyone in that fucking neighborhood was going to happily wait inside their houses for justice? lol

[Nephlite]

Someone should explain to me why the burden is on the dead kid to defend himself from the grave, rather than assume the cop who shot him dead might be trying to desperately justify his terrible actions.

"We don't know/can never know what really happened" is an absolution. It also belittles second-hand accounts, since at that point, you're saying you can never know the truth unless you experience it first hand.

That in itself is the problem. No one can speak for him unless the FBI is working the entire investigation and is not concentrating on one aspect of the case. The witnesses are getting weeded out one at a time by the allegations and reports of witness/evidence tampering.

[Sho]

I'm all about my black brothers and sisters protesting against an injustice. However, what's going on right now with this rampant looting is the stupidest shit ever and they should be policed accordingly. These niggas are just plain and simple taking advantage of an already bad situation, it's no different from niggas looting after Hurricane Katrina hit. There's no justification for this either and it is also an injustice. And it looks bad on us brothers and sisters who are trying to do better for ourselves as a whole.

Fuck niggas honestly.

Also a good lot of you in this thread is stupid as fuck to try and justify a man being shot to death, regardless of how the situation unfolded. There's no instance at all that you can create that justifies an unarmed man being shot to death after he surrendered. It does not matter if he robbed a fucking store. The first two shots from the officer can be justified in court, however the man surrendered afterwards and was still shot to death. This is what the courts will examine and scrutinize. And they will act on this with the man going to prison. Why are some of you so god damn stupid to the truth.

Jesus.

[6souls]

Look whose back

https://twitter.com/eyeFLOODpanties

[Dimmauk]

It's nice that white people will be able to walk the streets of Ferguson between midnight and 5am and not have to worry about black people making them feel guilty for being white.

[Quicklet]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...loody-lie.html

Police in Ferguson, Missouri, once charged a man with destruction of property for bleeding on their uniforms while four of them allegedly beat him.

The address is the headquarters of the Ferguson Police Department, where a 52-year-old welder named Henry Davis was taken in the predawn hours on that date. He had been arrested for an outstanding warrant that proved to actually be for another man of the same surname, but a different middle name and Social Security number.

Schottel got another unpleasant surprise when he sought the use-of-force history of the officers involved. He learned that before a new chief took over in 2010 the department had a surprising protocol for non-fatal use-of-force reports.

“The officer himself could complete it and give it to the supervisor for his approval,” the prior chief, Thomas Moonier, testified in a deposition. “I would read it. It would be placed in my out basket, and my secretary would probably take it and put it with the case file.”

[Eurell]

Also a good lot of you in this thread is stupid as fuck to try and justify a man being shot to death, regardless of how the situation unfolded. There's no instance at all that you can create that justifies an unarmed man being shot to death after he surrendered. It does not matter if he robbed a fucking store. The first two shots from the officer can be justified in court, however the man surrendered afterwards and was still shot to death. This is what the courts will examine and scrutinize. And they will act on this with the man going to prison. Why are some of you so god damn stupid to the truth.

Jesus.

This is the part we are disputing. There are multiple witnesses saying all kinds of different shit. If the man legit surrendered and then got shot, thats one thing. If he was actively charging at the officer Again after already punching him in the face and going for his gun, that's another. Why are we automatically believing the worst case scenario and assuming this guy decided to just start shooting minorities in cold blood for the fuck of it.

[Ezek]

This thread is hilarious to read because so many people on this forum jumps so quickly onto the "fight the man" bandwagon without waiting for the full report of what went down. All that we know so far of what happened is a bunch of he said/she said bullshit from witnesses and we all know witnesses are always completely truthful, especially when it's an emotionally charged murder case (not to mention there are conflicting witness reports). That being said, cop reports are also prone to bias and lies - people should just wait for the full autopsy and incident report before passing judgment.

Also, this looting isn't helping anybody right now. Can you imagine waking up one morning and finding out that your store, your sole source of income and stability for your family, was torched to the ground because some assholes decided to go out and loot? I watched a cell video of some retard running out with of a liquor store yelling "WE GITTIN PAID" and just shook my head.

[6souls]

Young people seems to be taking this protest seriously.



Also, it turns out that Mike Brown was a rapper;

https://soundcloud.com/bigmike-jr-brown

[Sho]

This is the part we are disputing. There are multiple witnesses saying all kinds of different shit. If the man legit surrendered and then got shot, thats one thing. If he was actively charging at the officer Again after already punching him in the face and going for his gun, that's another. Why are we automatically believing the worst case scenario and assuming this guy decided to just start shooting minorities in cold blood for the fuck of it.

Because the way you are arranging the story is fucking retarded. Like I said before, the first two shots can be justified in court. Lets say he DID go after the gun the first time. A shot went off in the cruiser, and he then Brown proceeded to flee. Brown was shot in the back. He then stops and in compliance to surrender. He is then shot twice more and is killed. There's about 5 different recounts of the event, all that match up exactly the same from different vantage points. You cannot justify him being shot after surrendering, the man was RUNNING FOR HIS GOD DAMN LIFE before this, and then he surrendered WITH HIS HANDS UP after being hit in the back. There was no second charging for a gun or even to attack a police officer who now has his gun drawn.

Not everyone is in cahoots to protect a black mans honor or even about being bias. And the police are giving out tons of halfassed and conflicting reports of their own. By one report, they didn't even know Brown was accused of robbery just 10 minutes earlier, which doesn't help their case at all.

[Karbuncle]

Out of curiosity, can someone explain to me how is a man able to get shot twice and still be standing, and standing long enough to turn around and throw his hands up in surrender? I figured being shot once, let alone twice, is enough to bring anyone at least down, maybe not kill them, but I can't imagine them having the energy to stand.

Never being shot I am confused on the subject, but i was to understand its not a fun experience, and being shot twice...

[notorious bum]

It's cute to see those talk about the happenings and reactions observed around this case, as if this exact formula hasn't been witnessed before. Feeling angry or lost as to why people act the way they do? Should've paid better attention in those socio101 and history classes, buddy.

[Sho]

Out of curiosity, can someone explain to me how is a man able to get shot twice and still be standing, and standing long enough to turn around and throw his hands up in surrender? I figured being shot once, let alone twice, is enough to bring anyone at least down, maybe not kill them, but I can't imagine them having the energy to stand.

Never being shot I am confused on the subject, but i was to understand its not a fun experience, and being shot twice...

Dude was a 6'4", big ass dude. Not everyone is a pussy who will immediately drop like a fly after being hit by a bullet. Also, this shooting did not play out like a movie where it was all in slow motion. This entire event happened within 3 minutes.

[Karbuncle]

You're almost seem to be taking this all personally x.x;

I know it didn't play out like a movie, still feel getting shot twice would bring someone down or slow them down. Not saying lighting the fucker up afterwards was the right course of action, was only inquiring.

[6souls]

"The neighboring town of Dellwood has instituted a 10PM curfew." - https://twitter.com/AntonioFrench/st...39277077737472

"Cops in riot gear lined up all along W Florissant stores" - https://twitter.com/alicesperi/statu...39641876930562

[Eurell]

Because the way you are arranging the story is fucking retarded. Like I said before, the first two shots can be justified in court. Lets say he DID go after the gun the first time. A shot went off in the cruiser, and he then Brown proceeded to flee. Brown was shot in the back. He then stops and in compliance to surrender. He is then shot twice more and is killed. There's about 5 different recounts of the event, all that match up exactly the same from different vantage points. You cannot justify him being shot after surrendering, the man was RUNNING FOR HIS GOD DAMN LIFE before this, and then he surrendered WITH HIS HANDS UP after being hit in the back. There was no second charging for a gun or even to attack a police officer who now has his gun drawn.

Not everyone is in cahoots to protect a black mans honor or even about being bias. And the police are giving out tons of halfassed and conflicting reports of their own. By one report, they didn't even know Brown was accused of robbery just 10 minutes earlier, which doesn't help their case at all.

Theres a video posted in this thread with witnesses saying he was charging the cop and thats when he got shot. There are a fuckton of reports saying a fuckton of different things. We cant just pretend we know 100% that he tried to surrender from 15 feet away and got shot in the back anyway. We don't yet know what happened. Thats all we're saying.