The Ferguson, Missouri thread

[Gadritan]

And a white cop just killed a black guy down the road from my house. People are already protesting in the street.

Fuck.

From several pages back. NOT THAT ANYONE REALLY CARES

[kareface]

Advocating for action on climate change pretty much necessitates a change in quality of life as part of its platform, because our current quality of life depends heavily on disgorging massive amounts of greenhouse gases. You'd have to get pretty stormfronty to say that cops killing fewer black people necessitates sacrificing quality of life.

Obviously it's a topic much broader than just police shootings. But to your point, even if the end result doesn't require sacrifice the process needed to launch it into a position of sustained national debate might. Now-a-days it seems like we can't go a week without a case like this popping into the news, but the debate never lasts more than a few days before it's drowned out by white noise (double entendre intended). Did the million man march disrupt peoples ability to get milk from the store? Is that really what mattered?

[tyven]

From several pages back. NOT THAT ANYONE REALLY CARES

of course no one cares. black lives dont matter, only all lives matter

[BerenTebogo]

How can we focus on black lives mattering when we're trying to decide where in the "matter" spectrum black lives fall relative to other lives?

[Gadritan]

of course no one cares. black lives dont matter, only all lives matter

I'm tellin ya man, there's enough hypocrisy itt to start a religion

[kareface]

From several pages back. NOT THAT ANYONE REALLY CARES

As unfortunate as it is to say the problems being addressed are bigger than any single case. The add it to the pile mentality on both sides is endemic of how deeply rooted the problem is. I don't believe people don't care, but if you talk to the protesters the shooting deaths aren't the change, it's the motivation for what needs to be changed at the national level.

[tyven]

How can we focus on black lives mattering when we're trying to decide where in the "matter" spectrum black lives fall relative to other lives?

well since the movement is that black lives matter, it sounds like they trying to get on the spectrum to begin with.

[BerenTebogo]

So are we talking like UV or infrared here? I need to know how much energy to put into this.

[tyven]

So are we talking like UV or infrared here? I need to know how much energy to put into this.

Uv sounds good, do blax sunburn?

[BerenTebogo]

Softballing physics jokes for Kareface and YOU JUST GOTTA GO FUCK IT ALL UP HUH BROVEN?!

[NynJa]

From several pages back. NOT THAT ANYONE REALLY CARES

What would you like to discuss without any details other than "white cop killed black man"? Lets go all Notorious Bum and start a lynch mob from the get go?

[kuronosan]

Apparently I have to default on my student loans or I don't care enough.

[tyven]

What would you like to discuss without any details other than "white cop killed black man"? Lets go all Notorious Bum and start a lynch mob from the get go?

well in this case the cop shot an armed person, so really once his family gets under control everything should blow over. i wouldnt expect to see it folded in to the current narrative as the outrage is due to unarmed black men being executed by the police.

[kareface]

Softballing physics jokes for Kareface and YOU JUST GOTTA GO FUCK IT ALL UP HUH BROVEN?!

Sorry, I'm a little slow (using this thread as a boredom reservoir while writing a paper). Quick update though: Got into an awesome lab, went to CERN over the summer, it was shutdown for the LS1 and the people working there got me into see a number of experiments which was awesome (and normally not possible because the collider is running), including the one my lab is working closely with at Berkeley which focuses on anitmatter physics, the experiment in my lab has been offline for upgrades and repairs for as long as I've been in lab but we just got everything back together and cooled the superconducting magnet to a temperature low enough we can turn it on and if all goes well I'll be helping to collect new data in early January.

Edit: Also totally embarrassed my QFT instructor while he was on a panel for a special showing of the movie Particle Fever, which might not have been the best idea seeing how he's the head of the theory department but still totally worth it.

What would you like to discuss without any details other than "white cop killed black man"? Lets go all Notorious Bum and start a lynch mob from the get go?

Why do you always take the most extreme straw man positions when you characterize the other side of the debate? Yeah, clearly everyone that supports reform are lynch mobs out of racial justice and the expense of the white man, want to fuck everyone who isn't directly supporting them and only cares for the well being of the African american. Clearly not all shooting that involve police and blacks are unjustified, but any chance to reframe the debate, right?

[NynJa]

Why do you always take the most extreme straw man positions when you characterize the other side of the debate? Yeah, clearly everyone that supports reform are lynch mobs out of racial justice and the expense of the white man, want to fuck everyone who isn't directly supporting them and only cares for the well being of the African american. Clearly not all shooting that involve police and blacks are unjustified, but any chance to reframe the debate, right?

Once again:
"White cop black man, THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY NO OTHER DETAILS, discuss"

discuss what exactly?

[kareface]

Once again:
"White cop black man, THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY NO OTHER DETAILS, discuss"

discuss what exactly?

I agree with you, I'm not sure why Gadrita was so determined to point out that post. I think he considered it to be evidence of some greater hypocrisy but it was poorly formulated. However bad his argument was I heavily doubt he was advocating for a lynch mob.

I've run out of time to participate in the discourse and as much as I've enjoyed it, real life beckons. I'm leaving it up to the others in this thread to fix racism without inconveniencing people. Good luck.

[kuronosan]

And that right there is the real reason fencers don't give a shit.

[Charismatic]

And that right there is the real reason fencers don't give a shit.

You don't give a shit 'cause some random dude on the internet made a flippant post? Just admit you didn't care to begin with and move on.

[kuronosan]

You don't give a shit 'cause some random dude on the internet made a flippant post? Just admit you didn't care to begin with and move on.

I said fencers, not me.

[Nephlite]

this is why it's black lives matter instead of all lives matter:



there's no need to fight against the notion that all lives matter, opposite is not true.

Charts confusing. Should have used lighter colors for white and darker for black.

Protests are fine. I didn't have a problem with the OWS guys. Shut down the government a few times by gathering around the buildings. Lot's of overtime and didn't affect normal people who didn't agree with it and didn't want to get involved.

And that should be okay. If someone doesn't agree with your views, then move on to someone else. Pissing people off, sacrificing lives to get a message across, and throwing your message on people is bullshit. Think about how America is trying so hard to be neutral that it's almost illegal to force religious views on others. People should be free to express themselves and choose their own path, and not what popular opinion dictates.

And granted, this movement is important for those who want to get their message out. It's not a bad thing, and can actually make a difference. It's reckless to think everyone agrees or wants to get involved, and they are indeed the majority in this case, and affecting their lives is the limits to free speech. If they don't want to get involved, you can't push them.