The Ferguson, Missouri thread

[archibaldcrane]

You outlined the legal language perfectly broheim

“those personally abusive epithets which, when addressed to the ordinary citizen, are, as a matter of common knowledge, inherently likely to provoke violent reaction.”

And honestly whether it "should" (highly subjective) be likely to provoke violent reaction is one thing - however, in reality it is common knowledge that it does, so that is what legally matters.

[archibaldcrane]

Police raids finding evidence of typical KKK paraphernalia http://www.fox9.com/news/54130146-story

This says they were looking for KKK paraphernalia - it doesn't say they necessarily found it right?

[archibaldcrane]

http://heavy.com/news/2015/11/allen-...cebook/?b2np=d

Allen "Lance" Scarsella's facebook photo



The "Bonnie Blue Flag" of the Confederacy.

Getting closer...

Here's his facebook: https://www.facebook.com/LanceScarsella

[Thunder]

sure it's subjective

But the irony I saw was in your hypothetical "pussy nation". Let me as you, between these two hypothetical dudes:

-Gets called nigger and is so hurt emotionally that he is forced to attack
-Gets called nigger and goes about his day

Who's the pussy? Who, if populated a nation, makes it a bitch ass nation?


I know it'll be up in the air in a court of law, but I thought most of us here would be in agreement that the guy equating name calling with physical assault is the loser here

[archibaldcrane]

What makes that into "pussy nation" is the idea that I can say whatever race-baiting shit I want and then cry to the police if I get my shit pushed in. That's what I was referring to (obviously)

[notorious bum]

This says they were looking for KKK paraphernalia - it doesn't say they necessarily found it right?

That's right, actually, I was typing that while reading an anon thread digging into the Facebook and 4chan shit. We'll have to wait for whatever they find on their laptops.

[Salodin]

This case walks that fine line if where violence is justifiable when the only thing being hurled at you is obscene language. Even if we assume they were white supremists, where do we draw the line on what BLM can do? Herding them away? Cornering them? Shoving them around? Kicking their teeth in?

[Thunder]

That's a weird way of seeing things. The guy complaining he got beat up is the pussy, and the guy who got called a nigger, jap, kike, cunt, fag, etc is a tough guy? Or is the only thing that's offensive enough to get beat up for the word nigger?

And it isn't so obvious btw, especially since the OP has the guys who tried to do the shit pushing in got fucked over and are now the ones crying to the police

[6souls]

A NYT article claims that one of the three suspects was wearing a bulletproof vest.

[archibaldcrane]

That's a weird way of seeing things. The guy complaining he got beat up is the pussy

If you go looking for a fight, get one, and then cry to the police (or pull out a gun and start shooting) - yes, that is pretty much incredibly pussy behavior.

[Prim]

You outlined the legal language perfectly broheim

“those personally abusive epithets which, when addressed to the ordinary citizen, are, as a matter of common knowledge, inherently likely to provoke violent reaction.”

And honestly whether it "should" (highly subjective) be likely to provoke violent reaction is one thing - however, in reality it is common knowledge that it does, so that is what legally matters.

Except the "Fighting Words" doctrine only applies when you're speaking to an individual. If they were yelling into a crowd without targeting a specific person, there's a high likelihood it can't be applied.

[Thunder]

If you go looking for a fight, get one, and then cry to the police (or pull out a gun and start shooting) - yes, that is pretty much incredibly pussy behavior.

How come in your hypothetical the guy cries to the police? And assume he's looking for a fight? You're biasing this in so many ways

He called someone a bad word, and they attacked him. The guy attacking is the tough guy, and the guy being attacked is the pussy? What if in this hypothetical the guy being attacked beats the other guy up?! Who's the man then?

Call it what it is. The guy retaliating with physical violence is an unstable person, fuck them.

[Salodin]

If you go looking for a fight, get one, and then cry to the police (or pull out a gun and start shooting) - yes, that is pretty much incredibly pussy behavior.

Yeah I agree with this. See, George Zimmerman.

[Thunder]

Yeah I agree with this. See, George Zimmerman.

Let's remember that george confronted the kid by literally getting in his way, not just called him nigger >.> these hypotheticals are not staying very consistent even between single posts

[Andalusian girls]

This case walks that fine line if where violence is justifiable when the only thing being hurled at you is obscene language. Even if we assume they were white supremists, where do we draw the line on what BLM can do? Herding them away? Cornering them? Shoving them around? Kicking their teeth in?

100% on board with legislation making it legal to punch someone in the face if they call you a nigger

where's the talk shit get hit candidate at

[Andalusian girls]

Sansa 2016

[archibaldcrane]

He called someone a bad word

And wanted the law to protect him from the obvious common sense ramifications of doing so.

I think you shouldn't start shit if you don't want shit. You don't think that calling black people niggers is starting shit. You...are simply plain old incorrect lol.

Anyway, can we talk about how one of the shooters is, at least, a confederate sympathizer?

edit: fuck, AG beat me

[6souls]

This case walks that fine line if where violence is justifiable when the only thing being hurled at you is obscene language. Even if we assume they were white supremists, where do we draw the line on what BLM can do? Herding them away? Cornering them? Shoving them around? Kicking their teeth in?

BLM here is mostly known for making a spectacle, getting attention for it, then dissappearing until tragedy. They're famous for their "shutting down" protests where they'll gather on a major highway or light rail line (above ground subway) and holding it up for a couple of hours. They're not respected by community leaders as BLM has made no effort to reach out to them. For the most part, you'll see more white people than blacks at these events as it seems they are more willing to protest for the sake of protesting (PCU) and are willing to do dumb shit like lay down enmass it front of traffic.

[Thunder]

And wanted the law to protect him from the obvious common sense ramifications of doing so.

I think you shouldn't start shit if you don't want shit. You don't think that calling black people niggers is starting shit. You...are simply plain old incorrect lol.

Anyway, can we talk about how one of the shooters is, at least, a confederate sympathizer?

edit: fuck, AG beat me

Ok, so what it sounds like you're saying is (because you ignored the point I tried to make with respect to this in that post) is that the guy retaliating to nigger is protected by the law to try and do physical harm to the guy who called him a nigger.... but the person doing the nigger calling is not allowed, by law, to also be physical?

[archibaldcrane]

I don't know why you would think that's what I'm saying, but I'm not interested in this argument any more.