The Ferguson, Missouri thread

[dasva]

That landfill is OG radioactive waste

And by that I mean the waste is literally from the Manhattan project.

While true it isn't as bad as that sounds. It's low level stuff specifically leached barium sulfate which from what I can find was just used to remove radium from contaminants from the uranium processing. It has fairly poor water solubility which is why it is used for things like medical contrast. Obviously you can't isolate things 100% so there will be some various radionuclides still mixed in but you can get pretty close which is part of why this was overlooked since there was little of value left so ended up getting mixed with some regular soil to cover the landfill. The real bad stuff was moved to other states like Texas

From Churchills link and a more recent one (2012) I found it appears a lot of testing has been done and it's basically been determined that while there are some radionuclides of concern in sometimes slightly higher than drinking water limits in the water on site based on upgradient well levels that it's no greater than the natural occurring in area therefore is probably mostly just natural (which makes sense considering it's not very water soluble) and that it isn't spreading to offsite groundwater. You'll actually have higher levels of those nuclides in basically anywhere with a lot of shale (which from what I'm reading is actually a way they look for shale/oil fields) or granite

Arsenic was actually a higher concern but also doesn't appear to be spreading offsite either

They also did tests before and after various storm condition incase anyone was like but dat rain

[Churchill]

bum doesn't like science and when I gave my expert analysis as a physicist he just said thanks

[Koul]

cuz it doesn't fit the narrative or his outrage, bruddah. Come on, get with it.

[notorious bum]

The joke was that there was no expert analysis in your post lol I'm obviously not as educated as you when it comes to nuclear waste (not being sarcastic here, for a change). I don't think the residents that live near that landfill are satisfied with the testing that was already done and Congresswoman Chappelle-Nadal raises some good points to the effect of "You're fucked if we find out years later that the problem is bigger than we thought. oops." It's highly reminiscent of the early fracking boom's years.

[Karbuncle]

Funny thing is I believe there is a proposal to dig up this particular land fill and move it from Saint Louis, I hear anti-moving it radio message all the time about it that make me laugh at their backwards ass logic.

But yeah, they mentioned it on the radio, that particular run-off, and I believe their resolution for it was "Avoid flood run-off, and if you come in contact with some, make sure to thoroughly wash the areas touched with soap and water". So theres that?

[Churchill]

Moving it would assuredly cause contamination.

You'd be much better off following the EPA's suggested plan of basically turning the site into a bunker.

[Karbuncle]

Proposal to move its like not to pass as is. But I doubt they're rushing to bunker it either...

[dasva]

I'm betting the lack of rush to do anything is from the looks of it they are continually doing testing and it points to the concerns being largely political caused by the public having 0 idea that those super scary zoomy makers were already naturally in the surrounding soil in similar concentrations all the while not caring at all about all other things like arsenic or mercury or various other contaminant levels in those same reports

Also I'll have to go back but I seem to remember one of those reports saying something about it being less of a concern because there were no plans on making that area anything other than industrial and while it wasn't stated I assume they aren't planning on adding more to the mix so it's not going to get worse

[BaneTheBrawler]

so is there some link to the riots and shit or do i need to move this all to the nucular thread?


my memory is bad, legit asking.

[Churchill]

black people were mad on twitter, bum felt guilty and posted about it, white people debunked, it's probably over.

[notorious bum]

I don't follow "black twitter" if that's what your dumb joke is referring to. Keep that racist shit on Reddit.

[Eurell]

I don't follow "black twitter" if that's what your dumb joke is referring to. Keep that racist shit on Reddit.

Holy shit dude. I think Church is ridiculous most of the time, but he is referencing your fucking post that had pics of black people being mad on twitter. How is this confusing?

Also, r/blackpeopletwitter is goddamned hilarious, how is laughing at a black persons joke tweet racist?

[archibaldcrane]

I don't follow "black twitter" if that's what your dumb joke is referring to. Keep that racist shit on Reddit.

He's saying you're hyper-sensitive to black people's concerns*

Spoiler: show

*unless their concern is that they prefer Hillary Clinton to Bernie Sanders or they think Black Lives Matter and then you are weirdly like "fuck black people"

[notorious bum]

I don't follow Black Twitter. I follow a woman running for congress in STL. Fuck me if I thought he was just subbing the ol' "ghetto people" euphemism.

My apologies for being a sensitive SJW asshole in this case anyways.

[Eurell]

Fair enough lol

[6souls]

Black Liberation Front members shut down MLK Jr event when the Minneapolis Mayor, Betsy Hodges, went up to speak
They said it was because the mayor condones violence against protesters and the video for Jamar Clark still hasn't been released
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/0...mlk-day-event/

Former BLM leader, Deray McKesson, checks Stephen Colbert's White Privilege

[Ragnus]

I think the Colbert video gives a more level headed approach to what the movement actually means without the happenings of the idiot fringe ruining it. It kinda ties to the Flint epidemic when people are talking about this being a race vs class issue. My wife made the point that it's pretty much hand in hand at this point due to the massive amount of black people being stuck in poverty after decades of systemic oppression.

[archibaldcrane]

Eh, class isn't why HS educated blacks with no criminal record earn what HS educated whites with one do. Class doesn't make college educated blacks earn far less than college educated whites.

It's not just that blacks are poor, it's also, well, that they are black.

[BaneTheBrawler]

the point, though, is that the last major barrier to actual integration is income inequality. when your poor people are composed mostly of specific minorities, those minorities get a bad rap (and are ghettoized due to their income level, amplifying both the reputation and mobility effects) and it just perpetuates discrimination. increase social mobility and integration will follow, and discrimination gets a lot harder.

[Marootsoobutsu]

Eh, class isn't why HS educated blacks with no criminal record earn what HS educated whites with one do. Class doesn't make college educated blacks earn far less than college educated whites.

It's not just that blacks are poor, it's also, well, that they are black.

Sorry, the "It's because they're black" doesn't mesh with stats, Archi. Blacks with a Master's or better are out-earning whites with a Master's or better. And black women with a bachelor's are out-earning white women with a bachelor's. The point where college-educated whites as a whole earn more than college-educated blacks as a whole is limited exclusively to white men and black men as a whole, and the difference has been mostly vanishing. And, if you account for the marital status of their parents, the difference vanishes almost to the point of disappearing when that single factor of their lives is accounted for. When you consider that 67% of black children are born into and raised in single parent households, vs. 25% of whites, a lot of disproportionate statistics fall squarely into place: incarceration rates between blacks raised in single-parent households are on par with incarceration rates of whites raised in single parent households; college education rates are virtually the same; economic upward mobility is virtually the same. The one area that doesn't vanish is, as Archi point out, that whites with a high school diploma have an easier time finding a job than black high school graduates with no high school diploma (I haven't found this specifically correlated with status of parents, but given that whites with a criminal record are more likely to have single parents than blacks without one, it seems to follow). Some of that is probably tied to racism (a white person is more likely to hire a white person, a black person is more likely to hire a black person, but whites are generally more capable of spending more money than are blacks, so the white person has a set advantage on getting ahead, for example). It's enormously complicated, but the single greatest factor doesn't seem to be race-- it seem to be single parent households, and that is an issue that enormously disfavors blacks. I honestly don't know how to fix it, and don't have the beginnings of any solution with any chance to work, but I don't think it's a problem that can be solved externally.