The Ferguson, Missouri thread

[Qalbert]

@rdevro

Statement read at today's rally for Officer Darren Wilson


@rdevro 8m

Now playing at the Darren Wilson rally: ACDC's "Shoot to Thrill"

[Callisto]

Not sure what they're so uppity about, their side has already won

[Salodin]

Not sure what they're so uppity about, their side has already won

You're acting like they enjoy being vilified. Sure, maybe the handful of insane ones, but by and large you're crazy if you think they enjoy this right now. I know I wouldn't want to be labeled racist just because some tard in my department decided to kill a young man.

[Callisto]

It's them pulling a #NotAllMen and trying to make the issue about themselves as if they're the greatest victim in all of this.

Wilson is most likely getting off entirely due to gross lack of following procedure leaving the PD in a position to make up whatever story they want in front of the grand jury, with no point of reference to look for inconsistencies against; coupled with a prosecutor and investigating unit with a pretty blatant conflict of interest.

But let's worry about the guys getting their feelings hurt for being called racist.

[Abandon]

fuck em all.

[notorious bum]

You're acting like they enjoy being vilified. Sure, maybe the handful of insane ones, but by and large you're crazy if you think they enjoy this right now. I know I wouldn't want to be labeled racist just because some tard in my department decided to kill a young man.

Funny, I don't hear any of these so-called "sane" guys protesting the racial bias of the honkies within the investigation department that are running their public lynch fund page.

Get to steppin'

[Correction]

I know I wouldn't want to be labeled racist just because some tard in my department decided to kill a young man.

Here comes the 'isolated incident' 'just some bad apples' narrative.
Also this whole line of thinking would only work if the same people pushing it weren't also hopping in line to stand with and defend said tard.

[Callisto]

Here comes the 'isolated incident' 'just some bad apples' narrative.

You mean the one that wasn't sufficient when applied to the protesters as a reason to maybe not go full crackdown?

[Salodin]

Let's do this in order, since everything is black and white apparently. Pun intended.

Funny, I don't hear any of these so-called "sane" guys protesting the racial bias of the honkies within the investigation department that are running their public lynch fund page.

Get to steppin'

Not like they won't get put on leave/fired for calling out their bosses or superiors as the racists they are. The problem has layers, is systematic from top-down, and even those who would like to do something about don't get a chance to because they have themselves to worry about too. Sure we could argue if they were braver it wouldn't be a problem, but that's easy to say from our armchairs isn't it.

Here comes the 'isolated incident' 'just some bad apples' narrative.
Also this whole line of thinking would only work if the same people pushing it weren't also hopping in line to stand with and defend said tard.

Right, and we're defending who now? Let me stop you now before you plant down a field of strawmen to bore us with. P.Sure no one in this thread has yet to defend Wilson. There have been a few defending the process, the wheels of justice if you will, but as time goes on there's even less of that since its taken far too long for any information to be made public.

You mean the one that wasn't sufficient when applied to the protesters as a reason to maybe not go full crackdown?

Two wrongs make a right? I don't understand what you're trying to say. It's not like any one has supported the over handed tactics of the FPD.

[Lucavi]

It's them pulling a #NotAllMen and trying to make the issue about themselves as if they're the greatest victim in all of this.

Wilson is most likely getting off entirely due to gross lack of following procedure leaving the PD in a position to make up whatever story they want in front of the grand jury, with no point of reference to look for inconsistencies against; coupled with a prosecutor and investigating unit with a pretty blatant conflict of interest.

But let's worry about the guys getting their feelings hurt for being called racist.

The rioting, if people have any steam left by that point, will be... interesting.

[notorious bum]

Shaun King @ShaunKing
Violent photos hate groups are posting with my kids. pic.twitter.com/4wwgAV2R1d


Shaun King @ShaunKing
Turns out the photos that Hannity & Fox used to show the Wilson "orbital fracture" was from 2008 w/ dates cropped.


Shaun King @ShaunKing
Compare both photos from my previous tweet and see that the one being used by Hannity & Beck was taken from the University of Iowa in '08

Shaun King @ShaunKing
Here is the photo with the University of Iowa web address and caption that Fox News cropped out.

[shepardG]

Interesting. ... also i hsve yet to see an MRAP in any police photo.

[Correction]

Right, and we're defending who now?

We are of course talking about a propaganda letter that blames 'the media' for being negatively biased against Darren Wilson.
The same media that posted verbatim the hatchet job that the PD laid out about Darren Wilson's criminal behavior in the hours before his death.
The same media that time and again simply regurgitates police statements about 'officer involved shootings,' and is often more than complicit in keeping data about police shootings obfuscated and inaccessible.

There are many other ways that bad or sloppy journalism undermines the ability of researchers to gather data on police shootings. Reporters make fundamental errors or typos; they accept police excuses for not releasing names of the dead or the shooters, or don't publish the decedents' names even if they're released; they don't publish police or coroner's reports. Sometimes they don't show their work: This otherwise excellent St. Louis Post-Dispatch article claims there were 15 fatal shooting cases involving law enforcement agencies between January 2007 to September 30, 2011—but provides few names and dates for further research efforts.

The same media that when sorted by popularity and annual revenue, shows the top spot doing very much of the same kind of 'support our cops' cheerleading as this letter calls for, and very seldom challenges the leaders during a situation who are so blatantly out of touch they need that slap in the face with a microphone immediately.
Right, that awful, horrible media, always taking the side of hulking, unstoppable juggernaut thug black dudes.
You've taken a stand that people who side with police are browbeaten into slience, that their legitimate concerns should be heard despite the behavior of one 'tard' who kills unarmed black guys because reasons. But what are those legitimate concerns? Enumerate them instead of parroting a talking point you read on social media without evidence for a change.

[notorious bum]

Protests are still on-going, even with most of the media not covering them and claiming there's not much going on.

Meanwhile, attempts at co-opting and diluting the protests are in full-effect; clergy men chiding anyone who is being loud and angry, the Gov. being able to show his face on the streets with no real concern, NAACP fronting the march with Cpt. Ron, etc. Still, a lot of good support being shown across the country with solidarity protests.

[notorious bum]

Talib Kweli just wrote a very thorough follow-up piece about his trip to Ferguson and his interaction with Lemon. Here's a small snippet of what he wrote:

The Point That Went Missing — My First Medium post

When it became clear that I was either leaving or saying my piece, he got quiet enough for me to say this-

“The CNN report says they chased men down. No, they chased men, women and children down. The CNN report says “Calm Until Bottles Fly.” But don’t mention the bottles in the article! I saw the bottle fly. You know when the bottle flew? After the cops told me they gonna blow my f-in head off. After the cops put on riot gear, put up they shields, took their batons out and lined up on the streets. Then when they got in position, a bottle comes flying out of a peaceful protest? That don’t make no sense. So what I’m saying is the headline should’ve said “It’s Calm Until The Cops Agitated The People.”

Once I got my point out, I stopped to allow Mr. Lemon to question me on my eyewitness account. His response?

“Thats what you saw from your position. You’re not seeing everything thats going on.”

Of course I’m not. I can only tell you what I saw from my perspective. Is my perspective the only one? No. Is his refusal to recognize my perspective as valid indicative of a mainstream media organization pushing the narrative of the police? Absolutely. Without ever addressing any of the points I raised about the inaccuracies in the article, Mr. Lemon decided instead to address the fact that I said he didn’t greet me or know how to pronounce my name. I should’ve never given him that platform, because it allowed him to ignore the many facts I raised while he was trying to cut me off.

The fact that there were also women and children being tackled in the street by police for peacefully protesting is an important detail. For CNN to report it was only men fits nicely into the narrative of the angry black male thug looting for no reason that the mainstream media has been attempting to sell to us. As a man who was chased thru the streets and forced to the ground at gunpoint by Ferguson police along with my sisters Jessica Care Moore and Rosa Clemente, I took exception to this. As a man who saw a cop put a gun barrel into the chest of a seventeen year old boy who was protesting peacefully, I took exception to this. These are important details. If the CNN reporters were at the same event I was, it would’ve been impossible to think that it was just “men” that the police treated like animals. If this was an oversight, it was a horrible one. If it was written that way intentionally, it’s just plain evil, and CNN should be held accountable.

We are part of a generation that gobbles down headlines without ever reading the story. Headline wording is extremely important. If I am about to read an article that’s titled “Ferguson Calm Until Bottles Fly” that would lead me to believe I’m about to read about how a flying bottle broke the peace. Even though this was the headline, the article never once mentioned a bottle. What does that tell me as a thinking person? The sole purpose of that headline was to cast a negative light on a peaceful protest that I witnessed with my own eyes. The purpose was to make people think that a militarized police presence is justified. Who else can stop dangerous water bottles? It shifts the narrative from “police should not be executing the unarmed citizens they are sworn to protect” to “maybe people should stop throwing things at police.” That article was grossly unfair to the community of Ferguson.

[Salodin]

You've taken a stand that people who side with police are browbeaten into slience, that their legitimate concerns should be heard despite the behavior of one 'tard' who kills unarmed black guys because reasons. But what are those legitimate concerns? Enumerate them instead of parroting a talking point you read on social media without evidence for a change.

But it's like, are you mad? Mad that I don't think every cop is as racist as many of the people supporting Wilson? Or that maybe some of the cops out there in Ferguson don't exactly agree with what their doing but still have to do their job any ways? This really isn't that big a deal, but let me help you. I don't want you to be upset.

[kuronosan]

But it's like, are you mad? Mad that I don't think every cop is as racist as many of the people supporting Wilson? Or that maybe some of the cops out there in Ferguson don't exactly agree with what their doing but still have to do their job any ways? This really isn't that big a deal, but let me help you. I don't want you to be upset.

Yea them Nazi officers had no choice during WW2. Totally justifiable.

[6souls]

CNN is sensationalist news. I understand what Talib is saying, but CNN has been a joke for a long time. No need to rant on and on about it. There is plenty of other news sources to visit if someone is looking for in-depth coverage.

[Chun Liroy]

CNN is sensationalist news. I understand what Talib is saying, but CNN has been a joke for a long time. No need to rant on and on about it. There is plenty of other news sources to visit if someone is looking for in-depth coverage.

That doesn't change anything. Just because you get your news from somewhere else doesn't mean that the majority don't gobble up that information by the millions. There's a reason CNN Fox etc. are still in business, and it's because people read their shit. Spreading misinformation only spreads the ignorance and continues the racial divides. And it's not like he's ranting on and on about it, he made a single post about it.

[NynJa]

Sounds like a shitty rapper tryin toget free publicity