Salvage Bans v 2.0

[NynJa]

At this point, I dont think most people will start over. Maybe in 2009, but not now.

[D44kpunk]

i am so confused why so many people are placing so much stock in the random kid from ffxi claiming his mule got banned on top of vomp hill.


please consider this: he was probably just trying to start shit or it was a false positive.

i hate being on SEs side on this shit but very few people have gotten banned in this most recent ban wave for 3rd party programs that haven't deserved it. SE does bans at 1 am EST every night, if you were caught doing something that is when you would be banned, at 1 am EST, not right when it happens. i have no idea what the turn around on this kind of thing is but i have known accounts were going to get banned before and sometimes it takes 2 days, sometimes it takes 2 weeks.

tl;dr: SE is being gung-ho. stop using shit until they are done being gung-ho. they consistently do this but botting hasn't been as rampant in the game as it is lately so it hasn't been as noticable as it is now. last time they did something on this scale was probably 2-3 years ago

source on all of this is I've probably had over 100 accounts banned that were at the level cap

[Spicyryan]

i am so confused why so many people are placing so much stock in the random kid from ffxi claiming his mule got banned on top of vomp hill.


please consider this: he was probably just trying to start shit or it was a false positive.

i hate being on SEs side on this shit but very few people have gotten banned in this most recent ban wave for 3rd party programs that haven't deserved it. SE does bans at 1 am EST every night, if you were caught doing something that is when you would be banned, at 1 am EST, not right when it happens. i have no idea what the turn around on this kind of thing is but i have known accounts were going to get banned before and sometimes it takes 2 days, sometimes it takes 2 weeks.

tl;dr: SE is being gung-ho. stop using shit until they are done being gung-ho. they consistently do this but botting hasn't been as rampant in the game as it is lately so it hasn't been as noticable as it is now. last time they did something on this scale was probably 2-3 years ago

source on all of this is I've probably had over 100 accounts banned that were at the level cap

Not quite sure I understand the source comment. You have been banned 100 times?

Since you say very few people were banned do you happen to have a number?

[D44kpunk]

read complete sentences, i said very few people have been banned that didn't deserve it. my source for this is that there would be a much larger uproar

and yes i have been banned over 100 times

[Spicyryan]

read complete sentences, i said very few people have been banned that didn't deserve it. my source for this is that there would be a much larger uproar

and yes i have been banned over 100 times

Reading is hard, and days are long. I am lucky if I can find my way to a public restroom.

Banned over 100 times? Maybe you are just posting from a mobile device and it is auto correcting you.

[D44kpunk]

idk if you're trolling or what and i don't really wanna keep repeating myself. yes i have been banned over 100 times on different characters all at the level cap

[Spicyryan]

idk if you're trolling or what and i don't really wanna keep repeating myself. yes i have been banned over 100 times on different characters all at the level cap

It was intended to bring a momentary grin.

Banned, banged. Egh, w/e, good night.

[Flaminglegion]

inb4 it turns out Anjisnu was just trying to raise the price on H-P bayld through fear mongering

[Kanriel]

I'm from Shiva, I can confirm Daakpunk at least has had access to 100 accounts banned, he was one of the top members in our most notorious and openly botting/hacking LS back in the day. The fact that he's still around posting on BG after that time means he likely didn't quit after them and just kept on coming back for more. Which is...really sad, but lends some more validity to his claim.

[EjinCaitsith]

Forgive me for not whiteknighting SE like you are.

It honestly wasn't my intention to defend SE, just to dispel the rumors that SE is going around banning innocent people without any sort of confirmation/investigation that had legitimate players worried. There were clearly some people here and on FFXIAH that were afraid to do certain things after the initial reports, which I believe, with what we know now, doesn't hold true anymore.

Why not just come out with it and call me a liar?

Also wasn't my intention, I actually believe your story. I just think it's a case of someone who wasn't in charge of anything reading incorrect information off their screen that the person in charge of bans didn't bother to update/change. There's no doubt in my mind they didn't review your account twice and uphold the ban twice, though.

[Spicyryan]

Not like SE has not banned innocent people in mass for using mules to garden.


Nah, SE would never ban bunches of innocent people and not care about the collateral damage because that would involve caring which they surely do enough. Right..?

[dasva]

idk if you're trolling or what and i don't really wanna keep repeating myself. yes i have been banned over 100 times on different characters all at the level cap

Holy crap... just how much money have you spent rebuying accounts?

[dasva]

Not like SE has not banned innocent people in mass for using mules to garden.


Nah, SE would never ban bunches of innocent people and not care about the collateral damage because that would involve caring which they surely do enough. Right..?

Or how the original salvages bans ended up hitting people who knew nothing about what was going on and were just hoping to buy drops from people in game

[dasva]

It honestly wasn't my intention to defend SE, just to dispel the rumors that SE is going around banning innocent people without any sort of confirmation/investigation that had legitimate players worried. There were clearly some people here and on FFXIAH that were afraid to do certain things after the initial reports, which I believe, with what we know now, doesn't hold true anymore.




Also wasn't my intention, I actually believe your story. I just think it's a case of someone who wasn't in charge of anything reading incorrect information off their screen that the person in charge of bans didn't bother to update/change. There's no doubt in my mind they didn't review your account twice and uphold the ban twice, though.

Is it the norm? Doubtful. Are in game GMs and stf members human and able to error or just get sticks up their butts? Damn right. See the whole one person not reading things makes sense which is part of why I pushed it and had those people go back and talk to their superiors and to go back and look to make sure there wasn't some mistake (well obviously there was some kind of mistake) and there ended up being basically a sentiment of stf doesn't make mistakes... ever. Or at least will never admit to them

[NynJa]

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/45...ans/3/#2822002

he's lieing too

[Spicyryan]

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/45...ans/3/#2822002

he's lieing too

How do you know?

Wish I could understand people who get banned for doing something then act like they didn't do anything.

[dasva]

Quick read of all that craziness makes it sound like the mule was innocent but his main exploits and bots like there is no tomorrow

[EjinCaitsith]

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/45...ans/3/#2822002

he's lieing too

He's pissed he didn't get pulled into jail to have a chitchat with a GM before they banned him. He admits to hardcore cheating on all his characters. #keeptrying

[NynJa]

Where does it say his mule was fleehacking and poshacking around?
All I saw is windower use, and using a /lastsynth script, which is not detectable by logs.

[EjinCaitsith]

Where does it say his mule was fleehacking and poshacking around?
All I saw is windower use, and using a /lastsynth script, which is not detectable by logs.

"Not even going to pretend I'm not guilty, but to just suspend like that with zero interaction, just accuse, because I said so?"

"Hes pretty much botting 24/7 in Outrazk and has a mule doing the same in Rala for gil."