Salvage Bans v 2.0

[dasva]

Why is d44ks news all of a sudden bad? Dude admits to botting and rmting rather hardcore. SE axing him is hardly worthy of "i worry for the playerbase".

I could care less that it's him so much as the fact that the one character he has gone to great lengths to keep secret and relatively "pure" was hit. It just so happened that it was the same person who played a bunch of bots but from what he said there is no way SE knows that so that's the more troubling thing to me

[NynJa]

HE thinks theres no way to tell. I bet every drug dealer and embezzler and weapons dealer thinks their shits safe too. Judging by how SE seems to be cleaning house, they probably linked something, and fact of the matter is, his shit aint clean.

Oh, no. Someone else has been botting which doesn't effect me in any way, shape or form, but I'm going to go post about how happy I am that he's been banned.

I was doing cartwheels, CARTWHEELS. I popped a bottle of Don i was so happy he got banned. Too bad i dint share with you, youre tainted, HAHAHAHAHAH

[chiyio]

Love all the crocodile tears. Also lulz at somebody thinking nyn is some ffxi white knight. Cartwheel on!

[D44kpunk]

HE thinks theres no way to tell. I bet every drug dealer and embezzler and weapons dealer thinks their shits safe too. Judging by how SE seems to be cleaning house, they probably linked something, and fact of the matter is, his shit aint clean.



I was doing cartwheels, CARTWHEELS. I popped a bottle of Don i was so happy he got banned. Too bad i dint share with you, youre tainted, HAHAHAHAHAH

i don't really want to start shit with you because frankly as i said before, i don't really care, i look at ffxi as a source of income and nothing else.

but you're clearly lacking some severe computer/internet knowledge if you read what i said and think SE had due diligence to ban me(especially only a temp ban, which it is). which is cool, lots of people don't fully understand everything as far as computers/technology goes.

it is their game, they can ban whoever they want, they are proving that.

edit: also when i talked to chat they said they did not know why i was banned and could not discuss it even though i fully verified all the details, and i still have received no email. on top of the fact that that's stellar support as per usual by SE. extremely sketchy. they are probably just assigning bans based on reports and minimal investigation if any is the hypothesis i'm coming away with

[Xajii]

lol@ the logical fallacies in this thread. "so, I bot and RMT like, a shit ton, and they banned my main, but the IMPLICATIONS!" its not like they just happened to ban your main on accident man. and there's absolutely no reason to believe that they would do that to any random player without first ascertaining that they were breaking all these rules. you got popped, stop fear mongering and acting all befuddled. lmao.

also only a temp ban? damn.

[NynJa]

Its funny how "these people arent banned, they were banned because they were botting and exploiting salvage, they deserved it, and the ones who said they got banned for nothing are liars, plain and simple" turned to "I got banned for nothing, I mean, I bot and RMT all day every day, but I was clean for 2 days, fuck SE, theyre ruining their game".

pass the salt pls.

i look at ffxi as a source of income and nothing else.

And then you wonder why you got lit up? "but, but, SE cant know who my main is, I'm behind 9 proxies"

[D44kpunk]

again i'm going to ponit out how you're a moron, not because i care but because i don't want people reading your stupid ass post and thinking you're correct.

i'll lay this out for you in a format you can understand

1. getting banned from RMT is a 1 strike perma, every single time no exceptions ever
2. if you full verify your account SE has always in the past, told you the reason for your ban
3. it is standard procedure for them to send you an email at the time you get banned
4. no account that i RMT'd with ever touched my main IP, did not trade my main account (also out of my accounts that were also banned at the same time of my main 3 of 8 were banned, that were all on the same ip, that did the same things as the other 5)
5. no one knows what my main accounts name is, it is not public on ffxiah and i have never posted pictures of it anywhere

i have no reason to lie, fear mongering makes me less money. people will quit and buy less gil.

i am confirming suspicions that people have already somewhat voiced in this thread

[Xajii]

all of your arguments are about non binding standards SE has for their own game and are always at their discretion to deviate from for any reason. frankly if I were in their shoes and I knew you were doing what you openly claim to do then I would do anything I could to fuck you up including flag your main for no reason other than that you're using my product for income. that doesn't mean shit for anyone else except other RMTers.

i don't really care what you do with your game time and your Gil and all that but the fuss you're raising is hilarious. like somehow despite the massive breaches of conduct you take on a daily basis that its square who is breaking the rules...that they set. again, why should anyone else except other RMT be concerned?

just seems like a weird place to look for income considering you can get cut off from that source permanently at any time and have no one to blame but yourself. I mean, maybe its massively time efficient and profitable for you and if so then good to you I guess. its been a while since I was active ingame so maybe you really only spend an hour a day and make some extra cash but the way u post about it sounds like you're a one man sweat shop lol

[NynJa]

again i'm going to ponit out how you're a moron, not because i care but because i don't want people reading your stupid ass post and thinking you're correct.

i'll lay this out for you in a format you can understand

1. getting banned from RMT is a 1 strike perma, every single time no exceptions ever
2. if you full verify your account SE has always in the past, told you the reason for your ban
3. it is standard procedure for them to send you an email at the time you get banned
4. no account that i RMT'd with ever touched my main IP, did not trade my main account (also out of my accounts that were also banned at the same time of my main 3 of 8 were banned, that were all on the same ip, that did the same things as the other 5)
5. no one knows what my main accounts name is, it is not public on ffxiah and i have never posted pictures of it anywhere

i have no reason to lie, fear mongering makes me less money. people will quit and buy less gil.

i am confirming suspicions that people have already somewhat voiced in this thread

"Not that I care, but I'm going to throw down a paragraph of shit defending myself because I care"


Stay mad my friend. You just got fired from your job lol

[D44kpunk]

i spend maybe 30 minutes a day on the game, most of my game related time is spent dealing with buyers. not going to go into how much i make you can google around and determine things for yourself.

i'm not trying to start a fuss only stating what happened and relaying the facts. i have said several times that i do deserve to be banned but a temp ban without any reason is asinine. a perm ban with no reason would have made more sense but if that was the case i would have expected quite a few more people to get perma banned.

based on what i said and knowing that there are probably 30-40 RMT squads that operate similiar to how i do (mostly chinese on vpns and a few NA here and there.) you're assuming that they would "flag my main" randomly by picking someone out of the blue? the most interaction i had with my bot characters was leeching occasional merits.

you stated you don't play the game so you have no idea what the current state of things is, i'm a bit concerned why you are so adamant in protecting SEs honor.

edit: nynja not sure how you expect me to respond to that, i have free time since i don't have to be anywhere for a few hours and i wanted to relay what happened/respond to people who questioned it. please write a more intelligent post next time so i have something to retort

[NynJa]

i don't know how that's a woosh at all.

are you new to games...?

no GM on WoW will send you a /tell before banning you for botting, no FFXI GM has ever been expected to send you a /tell before banning you for botting. i have never heard of game where GMs go out of their way to give you as many chances as possible to stop your bot.

i bot, i will continue to bot, but i'm still confused why people in this thread think that they should be able to get away with it with no repercussions just because they had been able to in the past.

also the false positive(note i am talking about botting in this entire post, the person who had a false positive for RMT that is totally different and totally different people handle it @ SE) has no proof and the person seemed like someone who was just being an epic troll.

yeah it's shitty, but complaining about it just means you're botting and SE is doing their job banning you

That was 7 days ago buddy, I bet your opinion has taken a full 180 turn.

[D44kpunk]

that entire post has to do with botting, which as i said several times i did not do on my main. also if the reason for my ban was botting i assume i would have gotten an email and the rep would have had no problem telling me.

i realize you're pretty invested into making yourself look like an idiot at this point but i would just suggest stopping.

uh-oh this is the first time i've gotten banned on ffxi whatever shall i do, fired from my job etc.

[NynJa]

i realize you're pretty invested into making yourself look like an idiot at this point but i would just suggest stopping.

Thats what happens when you bot too much ^_____________________^

k im done, I'm gonna stop before I get a pink slip too ^____________________________^

[arus2001]

the most interaction i had with my bot characters was leeching occasional merits.

This is probably enough, honestly. In your typical scenario, there is probably some degree of communication that goes on like, "Hey, wanna party up?" or whatever. If your bot crew is on their radar and suddenly your main is among them without a word (and on a few occasions), that would look pretty fishy to me. The only reason they're likely not banned themselves is they're trying to snag others taking advantage of their services, but even that may change with time. This, of course, barring other subtleties you may not know they could track. Plus I think a lot of folks underestimate how easy it is to identify bots, especially if they play 24/7 and not idle for extended periods to simulate sleep/food/poop/etc..

[D44kpunk]

they don't play 24/7 or even 18/7.

not saying that's not what they're doing. simply stating that it is not even remotely close to due diligence. also what you said is pretty close to entrapment if that is what they are doing. not that they are required to follow any set of rules its just kinda silly. shady things from a shady company. in my opinion that's a pretty big stretch to defend SE over something like that.

but my ban has derailed this thread enough so i'm just gonna stop repeating myself

[arus2001]

The war on RMT is pretty much a history of fucking both the buyer and supplier, and without that element of fear, the only thing left is to hope a good game is actually created where the temptation is curbed or outright prevented. XI isn't really at that point and never has been. Entrapment or not, MMO vets should know better by now. Don't RMT/cheat. Don't act like an RMT/cheat. Don't willfully assist the RMT/cheats. In the event you do get caught in the crossfire, pray to fucking hell the given game actually has a competent CS staff, which again, XI does not. That doesn't make SE shady to me. It makes then incompetent.

Either way, there's more criteria that can be looked in upon besides how long one plays. That's just one of the more prevailing traps. Getting more specific, however, arguably can't be an automated process.

[D44kpunk]

fair enough and i totally agree, which is why i distanced myself from my characters as much as possible.

i'll refer to my earlier example, you join a shout delve and someone is stun botting, SE bans you for benefiting off that. would that make you upset?

maybe an extreme example compared to my situation but take away the fact that i RMT and bot, if i had just been a random guy leeching from a party of bots i'm sure i would be getting more sympathy (i am not in any shape or form asking for sympathy even in the slightest.)

this isn't the way you run a game. really the only point in posting still though is hopes that SE still cares enough to browse these boards and simmers down, i am not trying to fear monger at all and i still believe if you do not bot or sell gil you will not get banned. i'm guessing what you guessed is why SE banned me, associating with bots. but it's not a stretch they should be making imo and will lead to more false positives

edit: i've never had a buyer banned so i wasn't sure what you meant by that first sentence, not that that really means there have never been buyers banned ever i just don't think SE targets them at all much like any game. i dabble on WoW a bit as well and if you get caught buying gil there blizzard usually just sends you a "pls stop" email and doesn't take any action lol

[dannyl]

For all we know, you were SE's STF top priority and you underestimated their investigation capabilities (regardless of what that may involve). Don't try and justify that they are blindly banning just to ban. The fact that you clearly "RMT and bot" is sufficient to know that they did their jobs and did it right. meaning, they clearly don't want you to play unless by "their rules"

"this isn't the way you run a game." on the flip side, from their vantage point, they're saying "no bot, no RMT, this isn't the way you're suppose to play the game"......................... /i-dont-get-your-logic

[dasva]

Just because they got something right doesn't mean they did things right. Can't justify something with hindsight. Especially when there are cases where they banned for the exact same reason when it didn't happen (and technically didn't this time)

[NynJa]

His logic is that of a sore posterieur. Look at his posts before and after he got banned: they go from "if you got banned, you probably deserve it cause of what you were doing" to "this is an injustice, theyre blindly banning people, even though i openly admit to botting rampantly and rmting so much this game is actually a source of income" when he gets the ban message.

Plain and simple.