Salvage Bans v 2.0

[dasva]

It's +40%, and if they gave that to Empyreans they'd have to either nerf Rudra's or exempt Twastar because it's already stupidly OP at it is.

For dnc and brd maybe but for thf Vajra would might still be better

[Fwahm]

Depends on if Twashtar would give the damage boost if it was offhand.

[Kanriel]

For dnc and brd maybe but for thf Vajra would might still be better

Really doubt it. Twashtar has DEX+20 and it'd get aftermath of occasionally double damage to go with it.

...I can't wait until they nerf Rudra's...and buff r/e/m's...

[dasva]

Depends on if Twashtar would give the damage boost if it was offhand.

Well seeing as mythic and and I think relic ones don't I doubt empyrean would if they gave it such.

Really doubt it. Twashtar has DEX+20 and it'd get aftermath of occasionally double damage to go with it.

True but it also has 10 less base dmg than varja and aftermath gives it oa2-3. I'd say it's closer than you'd think

[Kanriel]

It's been a while since I looked into it, but doesn't occasionally attacks 2-3x stuff get wonky with DA/TA? I can get upwards of 30% triple attack on THF and with DW capped on other pieces could likely get away with /war and DA earrings for 20% or so DA. So if there's some bit of cancelling out between those effects I don't think that'd be too useful. Especially with mandalic being a fair bit weaker than Rudra's to get aftermath up.

[NynJa]

...I can't wait until they nerf Rudra's...and buff r/e/m's...

Perhaps you missed the replies directed at you the last time you said this, let me remind you:

Sorry, but go fuck yourself.

Kuishen's right. For the first time in 12 years, THF is actually at the top of the DD hierarchy instead of "TH whore", go fuck yourself.

Go fuck yourself. Even after all of this Thf is supposedly barely better than Sam in a situation with an unmoving mob and perfect JA usage Aka this does not exist in real life.

[Kanriel]

Yeah, don't care if you guys are happy to have a broken mechanic going your way. It's a broken mechanic, it shouldn't be like that.

There's little chance THF gets buffs in an interesting mechanic while being stupidly OP via Rudra's. With augmented skirmish and some empy we should be able to have over 30% TA rate with 3x damage on those TA's, that is far more interesting to me than one button winning.

[Damane]

Really doubt it. Twashtar has DEX+20 and it'd get aftermath of occasionally double damage to go with it.

...I can't wait until they nerf Rudra's...and buff r/e/m's...

I dont get why you want rudra's nerfed? I rather have a usefull TH DD then what we had previously...

[NynJa]

Because he wants to be a unique snowflake who says shit like "my thf was so badass, youre all scrubs, my LS took my thf places before rudras".

level fucking drg then.

[Hitou]

He stupidly thinks THF will be anything other than the TH whore it was before the update if they nerf it.

[Kanriel]

Yeah, because apparently retarded OP or useless gimp are the only possible options.

[Nem0]

They can nerf Rudra around the same time they nerf Fudo.

[NynJa]

has anyone 3boxed delve with brd thf whm? I mean, if they have cool, I've just never seen it posted anywhere about it being having been done. If its so overpowered though, surely it would have been done.

[shepardG]

They need to nerf kings justice... Shit...

[Damane]

Yeah, because apparently retarded OP or useless gimp are the only possible options.

i dont see THF being retardedly OP like SAM is atm. In any case i think its good THF got a spot, because it was looseing its TH spot slowly too in some cases to RNG. . . some groups didnt even bother with TH

[Kanriel]

has anyone 3boxed delve with brd thf whm? I mean, if they have cool, I've just never seen it posted anywhere about it being having been done. If its so overpowered though, surely it would have been done.

I actually haven't seen SAM do that, either. I saw the BRD/WHM/MNK tribox though. Pretty sure I could tribox GEO/WHM/THF or GEO/THF/??? though on Tojil if I had a 3rd account.

[NynJa]

Unity: not TH based
Delve: not TH based
Incursion: not TH based
Skirmish: not TH based
KI fights: not TH based in VD, guaranteed drop in D with second based on TH, TH works in normal for a chance at a drop, and drops dont exist in E/VE
Dynamis: mostly based on procs, but TH does help
Salvage: mostly based on guaranteed drops, but TH can help with NQ linen or extras from the gears (not much though).

Its a good thing SE finally moved on from "THF is only good for TH"

[NynJa]

I actually haven't seen SAM do that, either.

If you're gonna say "he got 3 mythics lol", some average joe posted a SS on ffxiah of them clearing wopket with 3 as well, no RME's. I cant be bothered to dig through 4-5 months of screenshots.

[Kanriel]

Unity: not TH based
Delve: not TH based
Incursion: not TH based
Skirmish: not TH based
KI fights: not TH based in VD, guaranteed drop in D with second based on TH, TH works in normal for a chance at a drop, and drops dont exist in E/VE
Dynamis: mostly based on procs, but TH does help
Salvage: mostly based on guaranteed drops, but TH can help with NQ linen or extras from the gears (not much though).

Its a good thing SE finally moved on from "THF is only good for TH"

TH is an extra gimmick, it's not what THF is about, simply what the community believes it's about.

And has anyone tried to tribox a delve with THF? I don't see how you couldn't manage Tojil, just need to have a mage handle matamata until 3-4 WS's. I've done 20min zone clears as the only DD on THF so I don't see how it couldn't be managed with less support in more time.

[Fwahm]

Incursion is definitely TH based, and Dynamis is TH based to a huge degree, at least for low values; going from TH0 to TH2 nearly doubled the average number of coins that I get per run.

I guess the Dynamis example isn't exactly a vote of relevance for THF TH, though.