Salvage Bans v 2.0

[FNH]

Cry babies all around. I've taken to reporting the white knights to see if they are really investigating.

[ccl]

Friend is gone, I'm prolly gone too when my accounts run out seems obvious they are just killing it now.

[Draylo]

( se pls stop

[ccl]

Cry babies all around. I've taken to reporting the white knights to see if they are really investigating.

we should make a list of the white knight and all report them for speed hack on the same day/time/zone since I don't think they can double check that they'd all get banned xD

[Spicyryan]

Friend is gone, I'm prolly gone too when my accounts run out seems obvious they are just killing it now.

Can I haz ur stuff?

[aionls]

Its pretty fun to speed hack and crap like that. I used to love that shit back in 07. I stopped though because I knew people get banned for that crap. I seriously hope nobody here feels the need to voice their opinion on whether or not its right or wrong to do it though when its clearly wrong. Any sort of cheating on an online game can be pretty detrimental to the population.

Just imagine a scenario where tons of people are clearing content with minimal effort and using tools to assist themselves through it and people are keeping quiet about it all. If the content is incredibly difficult for groups of people to do it legitimately and people are getting tons of gear out of it, does this not hurt the game? You have to look at it from a dev's point of view. If you see lots of people clearing content and there are shit loads of people saying that its too hard then it sort of fucks them over. I think this was a problem with Nyzul 2.0 but I could be wrong.

Anyways, if you're hacking and being a retard I will call a GM. I love trying to get people banned because its funny to me. Getting your shit ganked in Abyssea by some speed hacking cunt really rubs my taint raw. If you wan't to be a bitch then you're going to get reported like one. When you help somebody get geared up and they're speed hacking around and getting themselves banned is pretty shitty too. Just fuck you in general if you're stupid enough to do that stuff and expect help from people.

Since we're throwing around stupid examples and being all extreme. What if you helped a friend with his rent or something and he turned around and murdered some guy and got sent to prison. You're out whatever money you lended to him and you don't get to see your friend again. Good times.(murder and children's video game cheating is totally cool gaiz.)

Just fuck off and quit again, the last thing the game needs right now is wankers like you around.

[dasva]

we should make a list of the white knight and all report them for speed hack on the same day/time/zone since I don't think they can double check that they'd all get banned xD

And rmting that way if they transfer any amount of money around as that must be proof. Bam insta ban no warnings since that is there policy on rmt

[FNH]

And rmting that way if they transfer any amount of money around as that must be proof. Bam insta ban no warnings since that is there policy on rmt

Yes, yeess go forth and wreak havoc!

[Spicyryan]

Just fuck off and quit again, the last thing the game needs right now is wankers like you around.

Maybe he had to flee hack so he could save enough time to wank but knew he would get caught so he stopped doing it? Then he also stopped having any friends by being a complete tool because that is also "funny" to him. Maybe being a troll "rubs his taint raw".

[Marootsoobutsu]

Guilty? Using or reselling stolen goods is not a crime if you don't know that they were stolen.

Depends on context (Federal law says you must know), and the state-- in some states, you don't need to know the goods were stolen to still be guilty. In others, if you don't "know" but, y'know, you really do know or you should know, you are guilty. Hell, in some states you can get in trouble for buying something represented as being stolen, even if it wasn't.

Besides-- EVERYONE here knows that these goods are stolen, so that point is kind of irrelevant.

So what? If everyone has knowingly or unknowingly received these "stolen" goods then what does it matter? This seems pretty pointless to even say. Are we supposed to feel bad or something? Does SE need to baptize us to be born again?

I don't care if you feel bad, or feel nothing. The point is that everyone has broken the ToS, whether intentionally or not. You are no more free from a ban than speed-hacking botters. It doesn't even matter to me-- or SE-- whether you meant to break the ToS or not. The reality is, you have. And the further reality is, you KNOW you have. A lot of folks are playing the "Well, you cheat more than I do!" game, and think that gives them a peak from which to piss on everyone else. The question isn't whether you-- or anyone-- DESERVES a ban. The question is whether SE will enforce their ToS or not in this particular case.

[Spicyryan]

Depends on context (Federal law says you must know), and the state-- in some states, you don't need to know the goods were stolen to still be guilty. In others, if you don't "know" but, y'know, you really do know or you should know, you are guilty. Hell, in some states you can get in trouble for buying something represented as being stolen, even if it wasn't.

Besides-- EVERYONE here knows that these goods are stolen, so that point is kind of irrelevant.



I don't care if you feel bad, or feel nothing. The point is that everyone has broken the ToS, whether intentionally or not. You are no more free from a ban than speed-hacking botters. It doesn't even matter to me-- or SE-- whether you meant to break the ToS or not. The reality is, you have. And the further reality is, you KNOW you have. A lot of folks are playing the "Well, you cheat more than I do!" game, and think that gives them a peak from which to piss on everyone else. The question isn't whether you-- or anyone-- DESERVES a ban. The question is whether SE will enforce their ToS or not in this particular case.

This is a video game. There are no stolen goods. *sigh*

Someone could go cheat 1 million alexandrite out of Salvage and we knowningly buy them. What does it matter? Please explain this to me. It is not a real tangible thing, and people simply have a lot of this about it:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6...s7ito4_250.gif

Apparently you don't care to think rationally either because you are clinging to this association fallacy. No one has unintentionally broken the ToS the same as I didn't unintentionally kill a million Iraqis by not stopping a war. FFS how can you really believe in the concept of "unintentionally breaking the ToS"?

Who is playing the "you cheat more than I" game?

Spoiler: show

So let's get this straight.
* Evil stolen goods that aren't stolen that have been derived from a poor metaphor.
* Guilt by association.
* Everyone knows and has played and benefited from someone who has cheated therefore everyone is "no more free of a ban than" others.

Anything else asinine to add to the list?

[dasva]

All I want to know is what the prize is for winning the who cheats more game. And also is winning achieved by cheating the most or just least?

[Spicyryan]

All I want to know is what the prize is for winning the who cheats more game. And also is winning achieved by cheating the most or just least?

Since we are all connected perhaps we all win, intentionally or otherwise.

[ColenzoRidesAgain]

Maybe he had to flee hack so he could save enough time to wank but knew he would get caught so he stopped doing it? Then he also stopped having any friends by being a complete tool because that is also "funny" to him. Maybe being a troll "rubs his taint raw".

It was in 2007. I was also POSing and claim botting back then too. I'm not really being a troll, I'm being honest. If you can't handle the fact that people like me exist then maybe you should probably stop being a cheating shit lord. How many thousands of hours have you spent playing FF11? Is it really that smart to put your account in a position to get it banned? No, but I sure as fuck don't care.

Also, I think you have brain problems because you keep bringing real life scenarios into context with your flawed logic towards whether or not something is "ok" or not. If you're cheating to get an advantage over other players then its not fair. This is the definition of "cheating" in a nutshell. I figured I would clear that up with you in case you forgot.

Its like you don't understand how certain things ruin the game for others. If it was OK to cheat and do all the retarded shit that people do then you would have a game where every single person would be running 50% faster at all times. POSing everywhere. Glitching dynamis and living in dynamis. Just generally not actually playing the fucking game. Content wouldn't be designed in any particular manner because people could just fucking break the shit out of it and the entire quality of the game would be down the shit hole even further than it already is. Maybe you just haven't had to deal with enough fuck heads to understand these basic things but it seems to me that you probably actually have something legitimately wrong with you.

[Marootsoobutsu]

This is a video game. There are no stolen goods. *sigh*

Someone could go cheat 1 million alexandrite out of Salvage and we knowningly buy them. What does it matter? Please explain this to me. It is not a real tangible thing, and people simply have a lot of this about it:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6...s7ito4_250.gif

Apparently you don't care to think rationally either because you are clinging to this association fallacy. No one has unintentionally broken the ToS the same as I didn't unintentionally kill a million Iraqis by not stopping a war. FFS how can you really believe in the concept of "unintentionally breaking the ToS"?

Who is playing the "you cheat more than I" game?

Spoiler: show

So let's get this straight.
* Evil stolen goods that aren't stolen that have been derived from a poor metaphor.
* Guilt by association.
* Everyone knows and has played and benefited from someone who has cheated therefore everyone is "no more free of a ban than" others.

Anything else asinine to add to the list?

I honestly cannot tell if you are trolling, or if you are legitimately insane. Either way, I'll leave you to your rambling diatribes.

[Lolwutt]

One post about vomp hill is not sufficient evidence to prove 'innocents' are getting banned. While people are right that the line could be drawn anywhere, in months we haven't had a single credible account of someone getting banned who didn't speedhack or bot. We aren't losing innocents right and left, they aren't banning people to kill the game. If they want to shut it down, they can do so anytime with no explanation to us.

I can understand the confusion the first few weeks after they started banning, people were getting hit for old offenses. People were getting hit afk in town. That doesn't make any of them innocent, though. Perhaps SE developed a tool that will automatically scan a character or account's history for extended activity, impossible speed, etc. It's well within the realm of possibility to make such a thing, and logs would likely go back at least a month since that's how long item restore was good for back in the day. You get GMed, GM runs tool on your account, if anything shows up you get booted.

[Isiolia]

Perhaps SE developed a tool that will automatically scan a character or account's history for extended activity, impossible speed, etc. It's well within the realm of possibility to make such a thing, and logs would likely go back at least a month since that's how long item restore was good for back in the day. You get GMed, GM runs tool on your account, if anything shows up you get booted.

Maybe they're monitoring how people play the game more closely in order to pass metrics on to Nexon.

[Spicyryan]

Spoiler: show

It was in 2007. I was also POSing and claim botting back then too. I'm not really being a troll, I'm being honest. If you can't handle the fact that people like me exist then maybe you should probably stop being a cheating shit lord. How many thousands of hours have you spent playing FF11? Is it really that smart to put your account in a position to get it banned? No, but I sure as fuck don't care.

Also, I think you have brain problems because you keep bringing real life scenarios into context with your flawed logic towards whether or not something is "ok" or not. If you're cheating to get an advantage over other players then its not fair. This is the definition of "cheating" in a nutshell. I figured I would clear that up with you in case you forgot.

Its like you don't understand how certain things ruin the game for others. If it was OK to cheat and do all the retarded shit that people do then you would have a game where every single person would be running 50% faster at all times. POSing everywhere. Glitching dynamis and living in dynamis. Just generally not actually playing the fucking game. Content wouldn't be designed in any particular manner because people could just fucking break the shit out of it and the entire quality of the game would be down the shit hole even further than it already is. Maybe you just haven't had to deal with enough fuck heads to understand these basic things but it seems to me that you probably actually have something legitimately wrong with you.

So because someone is equating cheating things like Alex into existence and then digressing into fedreal law. Along with everyone else making real world analogies. I must then have brain problems for making real world remarks, and everyone else is just okay. Gotcha.

So it is "not fair" for people who don't cheat. Who cares? Unless you are directly competing against someone else it doesn't really matter. When did video games suddenly become fair?
Why then does someone fleeing around the game or moving past walls matter to anyone else?

Spoiler: show

It doesn't. People just want to assert their views over others in the form of control because they get bent of out shape. In this case it is trying to ban someone a player doesn't agree with.

This is a game others play as they see fit. It is not your place to complain that people cheating "are not playing the game". How am I the one with issues when I have enough sense to realize people can and will play the way they see fit? If you don't like it then don't play with the person. Once again if they aren't directly competing with you in some significant manner then it doesn't matter.

People break the shit out of all the content legitimately or otherwise. Sure SE had 18 BLMs in mind for DM at 75 or PLD RNG everything down when they designed events.

I figured

I love trying to get people banned because its funny to me. Getting your shit ganked in Abyssea by some speed hacking cunt really rubs my taint raw.

along with other nonsense just made you a troll out for kicks. I guess giving you the benefit of the doubt of not being a dick was just wrong on my part.

I honestly cannot tell if you are trolling, or if you are legitimately insane. Either way, I'll leave you to your rambling diatribes.

Is that

intentionally or not.

?

[fantasticdan]

This is a game others play as they see fit.

Yeah, the same way players can report others as they see fit, and SE can ban as they see fit.

[Byrthnoth]

And then everyone can not-play FFXI together in a year!