Salvage Bans v 2.0

[Spicyryan]

So I was doing an excess of 20mph over the limit today on the way to work, ran a light while not going over the limit (25mph! People were in the way) down the small stretch of mainstreet, and was singing All Lit Up Again terribly because I can't sing.

Good thing SE isn't out there enforcing the streets.

They wouldn't like my selective obedience to stop signs.

Adding my name to this list. Reason being said for botting... and all I've been doing is monstrosity lately. What is this I don't even

Edit: Manticores run at enhanced speed..
I wonder if that's it hah

So could you state for the record if you have not used 3rd party tools for X ammount of time, were not using them, and/or have never used them or what you do use where?

So we can narrow down what is going on.

[FaeQueenCory]

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Y----------------------ES!!!

every item has 28 bytes of space for extra data, in the case of storage slips this is a bitfield where each bit represents a potential stored item (fact)

findall most likely uses a table of the potential stored items for each slip and checks which bits are set to see which items are stored, completely client side

as far as mules, it is stored in client side files and it's also possible findall keeps it's own database, i don't use/develop windower so i can't be 100% sure but everything it does can be and most likely is done with no direct server interaction

it's most likely not simple to filter bidder since the AH list requests go to a seperate server, but it's certainly possible to confirm if you use it without opening the menus first, and extremely simple to confirm if you use it to bid quickly or to bid from away from the AH

byrth also located a flag in the normal position update packet that has only been observed as set when maintenance mode is active, while it's entirely possible it's something else and coincidental that maintenance mode triggers it, it appears to be a tipoff to the server that user has maint active.. this has been in place for 8 months at the very least, if not since the game's launch.. if you don't use a plugin/addon to clear that flag then maint mode should be a very easy thing to catch

I am not so sure about that.
I am fairly certain that storage slip data would be server side.
Otherwise a person could just find the datapack for their character's slip, change "0s to 1s", and then they'd have a full slip with no work done.
I've never heard even the faintest of whispers to that noise... Plus general MMO mechanic knowledge... Makes me confident that slip data is serverside and not clientside.


On a different note, these bannings have really destroyed the stability of Unities. At least on Odin, L0L.
Before these, there was basically no flux in Unity top 3ish... Now it's crazy fluxing and the former tops are consistently in the bottom rungs.
Makes me think that they were heavily populated by bots and that's why they were always on top.

[Lolwutt]

you hardly deserve a response, but yes that is how it works and if you just change the flag on your end the server will still know it's not an available item and refuse to show it in the list.. it's the same reason you can't just change an items ID to get a new item

[Spicyryan]

you hardly deserve a response, but yes that is how it works and if you just change the flag on your end the server will still know it's not an available item and refuse to show it in the list.. it's the same reason you can't just change an items ID to get a new item

Wow.. Rude..

[Byrthnoth]

Findall uses slips.lua, which is just a hardcoded mapping of bits to items as was explained. Treasury is also not easily detectable at the moment because they added pass all.


Someone should make a list of detectable addons/plugins so people can just fill out check boxes and we will kknow what they are gunning for.

To start it off:
Bidder is detectable based on position and whether you bid on items that have none up on AH regularly.

Gearswap is detectable because it sends multiple equipset commands in the same outgoing packet.




I have to keep working, but I can come finish the list later if no one else does.

[Lolwutt]

Wow.. Rude..

Saying I'm wrong based on nothing but faulty logic isn't rude? I've worked with this data, he hasn't.

Not that it matters, we all know you're only here because you're drooling at the thought that you might be able to play up savanah as a banned innocent.

[Celebrindor]

Findall uses slips.lua, which is just a hardcoded mapping of bits to items as was explained. Treasury is also not easily detectable at the moment because they added pass all.


Someone should make a list of detectable addons/plugins so people can just fill out check boxes and we will kknow what they are gunning for.

To start it off:
Bidder is detectable based on position and whether you bid on items that have none up on AH regularly.

Gearswap is detectable because it sends multiple equipset commands in the same outgoing packet.




I have to keep working, but I can come finish the list later if no one else does.

Well screw not using some sort of gearswap style program; most of us have built our playstyle around it by now. Wish they would take the "your right to throw a punch ends at another man's nose" mentality when it comes to addons.

[D44kpunk]

So I was doing an excess of 20mph over the limit today on the way to work, ran a light while not going over the limit (25mph! People were in the way) down the small stretch of mainstreet, and was singing All Lit Up Again terribly because I can't sing.

Good thing SE isn't out there enforcing the streets.

They wouldn't like my selective obedience to stop signs.

your real life comparison examples always get me, but i guess when you have no life the game essentially becomes your life

SE is killing ffxi, but who really cares it's been dead for a while and has only continued to stagnate.

if you care about your account, only use vanilla pol/ffxi. if that makes it unplayable for you, i know this might sound crazy, but deactivate your account and wait until they calm down

[Spicyryan]

Saying I'm wrong based on nothing but faulty logic isn't rude? I've worked with this data, he hasn't.

Not that it matters, we all know you're only here because you're drooling at the thought that you might be able to play up savanah as a banned innocent.

It be impossible to declare myself innocent since I use gearswap (I imagine my DPS without it. I remember I used to hit 5 macros to go through the WS process before SC and then GS) I don't think I would drool over the thought of being banned either. If I felt that way I'd just go read a book out under a tree or something else vogue.

However, I am not using clipper or takao, and so far I am still around after each ban. I am still not ruling out that innocent people are being banned though, and neither should anyone else.

your real life comparison examples always get me, but i guess when you have no life the game essentially becomes your life

SE is killing ffxi, but who really cares it's been dead for a while and has only continued to stagnate.

if you care about your account, only use vanilla pol/ffxi. if that makes it unplayable for you, i know this might sound crazy, but deactivate your account and wait until they calm down

My sarcasm has reached such heights that I have no life.

Maybe the people choosing to continue playing still care, bite us.

[BerenTebogo]

Yeah if there is no gearswap or spellcast, sign me right out.

Have been enjoying myself though so I guess it's just not using clipper / bidder. Thankfully in my 4 weeks of using it I managed to get pretty much all the hp warps.

I still maintain that doing all the crap I did to catch up without clipper would've made me lose interest again super fast though. Was nice to catch up quickly.

[Sirious]

I got got too fellas, I was botting all week though, there's zero chance I'm doing relic trials legit. Zero chance I'll ever play without JA0/Clipper and all the lovely things I've grown to love~

Sounds like a pretty big number got hit today though.

[Sechs]

Friend just let me see the email he received from SE.
Previously I only saw very generic, details-lacking and copypasted emails.
The one he received has somehow specific details on the kind of infraction and even says the date when it occurred (which is a few days ago, kinda ruling out the "hunch" me and other people were getting about these infractions being very old stuff)

Another strange thing, he got tempbanned on all his 3 accounts, whereas usually people reported here to get pretty random bans between mains/mules etc.

[Sirious]

The email is the exact same one they always send out... at least mine was

[Silas]

All three of my accounts were temp banned as well. One of the accounts I only recently activated maybe 2 weeks ago. Loaded with windower but didn't play with. Used clipper on all three though.

[Byrthnoth]

i know this might sound crazy, but deactivate your account and wait until they calm down

This is what I did. I'm kind of voluntarily banning myself from the game until November, when I'll return and probably blitz all the content they add between now and then in a weekend using all the toys. Then they can ban me all they want, because I will have beaten the game.

[Fwahm]

But you won't have beaten the new endgame content!1!!1!1

[Hirronimus]

So due to lack of PVP in this game people have began reporting each other as substitute?

[Draylo]

Damn SE what are you doing.. So any of the people who were temped, did you bot at all while afk, anything like using skill ups or stuff? It would see very extreme if they were banning for windower usage... Maybe try to report similarities to see what it is they are banning for. It's so ridiculous we have to do this at the end lol, what are they thinking.

[gaira]

wasn't this all started with a dev response to JP players complaining about cheats? tried to skim through the dev tracker thread but didn't see it quickly.

[Spicyryan]

So due to lack of PVP in this game people have began reporting each other as substitute?

This made me chuckle a bit.