Salvage Bans v 2.0

[D44kpunk]

the bans make no sense, anyone who thinks they do is a white knight for SE and extremely naive, plain and simple. consistent bans all along or some mission statement even if it's cheesy would be reason enough, but mass banning on a dead game that they just announced the end of is a class A example of how a shit company operates.

your reason for saying they make sense is that 14 players will be scared off from botting? this thread was active months and months ago and people continued botting and are posting daily about getting banned.

on top of the fact that if 14 players looked at 11 for any source of knowledge they'd realize SE does not care about it's older products and they should invest time in another game instead of building up characters on a game that will inevitably get outdated and shut down due to poor business models and shitty design.

edit: also at this point if you're still playing this shit/investing time and money into it, you're not anything special, you aren't one of the few survivors, you aren't enjoying a hidden gem, you're a masochist who is too jaded to try anything else. there's a reason ffxi is dying and it's not because of the people, it's becasue of the game and company.

[bechyni]

shut the hell up you filthy fucking cheater

[Mojo]

science vs religion

[Sirious]

I just gotta be clear that I quit "playing" when iLvl came out, I only continued "paying" to finish my last goal, which was accomplished on 4/23

[Spicyryan]

on top of the fact that if 14 players looked at 11 for any source of knowledge they'd realize SE does not care about it's older products and they should invest time in another game instead of building up characters on a game that will inevitably get outdated and shut down due to poor business models and shitty design.

After significant time watching the ex play 14. I have to say they won't realize anything *pauses* because they play 14.

[Draylo]

edit: also at this point if you're still playing this shit/investing time and money into it, you're not anything special, you aren't one of the few survivors, you aren't enjoying a hidden gem, you're a masochist who is too jaded to try anything else. there's a reason ffxi is dying and it's not because of the people, it's becasue of the game and company.

You could say that about any game... I think you are the one who is a bit too jaded atm. If people still enjoy the game, regardless of an announced end of content date, then why is that a waste? Isn't that the whole point of playing these games, to have fun?

[Spicyryan]

You could say that about any game... I think you are the one who is a bit too jaded atm. If people still enjoy the game, regardless of an announced end of content date, then why is that a waste? Isn't that the whole point of playing these games, to have fun?

Yeah, but Draylo think of how profound those words were. One could live their lives based on them. They are almost inspirational with their deep sophistication.

What do you think about the trend of malls disappearing from the United states D44?

also at this point if you're still buying all this shit/investing time and money into it, you're not anything special, you aren't one of the few survivors, you aren't enjoying a hidden gem, you're a masochist who is too jaded to try anything else. there's a reason malls are dying and it's not because of the people, it's becasue of the shit and prices.

What are your views on gay marriage, D44?

also at this point if you're still marrying and shit/investing time and money into it, you're not anything special, you aren't one of the few survivors, you aren't enjoying a hidden gem, you're a masochist who is too jaded to try anything else. there's a reason marriage is dying and it's not because of the people, it's becasue of the gays and media.

How about the disappearance of phone booths, flip phones, and land lines?

also at this point if you're still using that shit/investing time and money into it, you're not anything special, you aren't one of the few survivors, you aren't enjoying a hidden gem, you're a masochist who is too jaded to try anything else. there's a reason land lines are dying and it's not because of the people, it's becasue of the times and technology.

What about the recent situation in Russia?

also at this point if you're still playing this shit/investing time and money into it, you're not anything special, you aren't one of the few survivors, you aren't enjoying a hidden gem, you're a masochist who is too jaded to try anything else. there's a reason Russia is dying and it's not because of the people, it's becasue of the government.

Finally, what do you think about people who wear socks with sandals, D44kpunk?

also at this point if you're still wearing this shit/investing time and money into it, you're not anything special, you aren't one of the few survivors, you aren't enjoying a hidden gem, you're a masochist who is too jaded to try anything else. there's a reason those with sock with sandals should be dying and it's not because of the people, it's becasue of the socks and sandals.

[Teryu]

Why do socks have a higher level requirement than sandals?

[arus2001]

Wasn't there a point where JPs got a rage boner for Byrth and Windower-related stuff? Maybe my thinking on the time window is off, but if they're only just now cluing in to the NA side of the third-party scene, that could possibly explain the surge.

[dasva]

Why do socks have a higher level requirement than sandals?

They keep your feet warmer

[Sephiran]

If SE didn't drop the hammer, then greater damage would be done. In a very sadistic way, the iron-fisted enforcement is something that has characterized this game for a long time, and sometimes for the worse. Seriously, the original Salvage bans are made fun of on FFXI's Encyclopedia Dramatica page. Bannings not happening would imply that hell had frozen over.

[Tidis]

The way I see it, the bans are justified as SE rules have been broken but after taking seemingly no action against HNM botting, to take action against people whose third party usage isn't impacting anyone else at all is a bit bizarre, take my temp ban for example, I primarily used Clipper to run faster in Salvage, which in turn made me finish quicker but due to the natural limit on alex you can gain per run, I never netted any extra alex as a result. Other than that I would keep high movement speed wherever I went but auto-disabled around others, notably in Dynamis that would gain me more currency but not a lot extra.

Then there's JA0Wait and GM Flag, which as far as I'm aware would be pretty hard for other players to detect unless you're really paying attention for it, I also clipped through a couple annoying obstacles, again impacts no one.

So in essence, unless SE solely detected my third party usage, someone had seen something they didn't like and reported me out of spite, at which point I assume I was monitored and given a temp ban upon investigation. So in summary, I haven't negatively impacted anyone as far as I'm aware so you'd have thought they could let it slide, considering dwindling populations but they didn't.

I still remember when they introduced the login campaigns and the first thing people did was, and correct me if I'm wrong here but used ASA to pop behemoth early so all the people waiting there legitimately had 0 chance to pop while people were popping behemoths early, nothing happened to those people.

[D44kpunk]

You could say that about any game... I think you are the one who is a bit too jaded atm. If people still enjoy the game, regardless of an announced end of content date, then why is that a waste? Isn't that the whole point of playing these games, to have fun?

nah, you could say that about very few games.

to repeat myself again, no other company is as consistently inconsistent and oblivious to all player input as SE. everything about the game is dated and the changes that came were too little too late. if you have fun playing it, that's fantastic, you're a winner. but clearly most people don't or the game wouldn't be one of lowest subscribed mmos at the moment. in my opinion most people think it's "fun" because they have friends they play it with and the rest just haven't actually given another game a chance

[Spicyryan]

nah, you could say that about very few games.

to repeat myself again, no other company is as consistently inconsistent and oblivious to all player input as SE. everything about the game is dated and the changes that came were too little too late. if you have fun playing it, that's fantastic, you're a winner. but clearly most people don't or the game wouldn't be one of lowest subscribed mmos at the moment. in my opinion most people think it's "fun" because they have friends they play it with and the rest just haven't actually given another game a chance

Compared to how subscription based MMOs are going the way of the dinosaur? Compared to how FFXI FFXIV and Dragonquest combined have less than 1 million players? Can we see some numbers too please?

Subscription numbers for a game that is closing in on a decade and a half of service don't mean what they do for modern MMOs. Even then, if this game went free to play (hopefully never) the numbers would skyrocket, and everyone knows that. Does that mean suddenly the game got better because it doesn't cost anything?

Generalizations are generally just stupid, and yours should feel bad about themselves.
You can't tell me there is another MMO (or even game) like FFXI out there. It is too old and deep to be copied anywhere. Personally, I gave up on trying to find another MMO I liked aside from FFXI after an extensive search years ago. I haven't even played another video game aside from XI in months (going back to playing my Vita on various flights which shouldn't really count for this comparison), and I own tons of great ones I just get and they just sit on the shelf. I don't need to play with anyone for an hour or two at the end of the day before I crash to love the game.

You on the otherhand have been banned "over 100 times" so you are entirely too bias, bitter, and:

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[Sephiran]

I think the actions by SE are consistent enough. Allow me to share some wisdom an old shell leader bestowed upon me once after I noted that someone who was constantly using bots and cheats was never hit with the ban hammer:

"Seph, how often to you see [player name redacted] getting into a dispute or fight? Never. Every time there's an argument, they back down. They fly below the radar. They're still around because they don't piss off people enough to report them. You, on the other hand, if you ever cheated would be banned within a week because you're vocal and get into fights with random PUG's."

[Cyleena]

I think the actions by SE are consistent enough. Allow me to share some wisdom an old shell leader bestowed upon me once after I noted that someone who was constantly using bots and cheats was never hit with the ban hammer:

"Seph, how often to you see [player name redacted] getting into a dispute or fight? Never. Every time there's an argument, they back down. They fly below the radar. They're still around because they don't piss off people enough to report them. You, on the other hand, if you ever cheated would be banned within a week because you're vocal and get into fights with random PUG's."

This may have been true back in the day but nahhh not anymore and not with the recent bans. I know of people who have gotten banned that are not "vocal" and do not get in disagreements with many people if any at all. Recent bans have been different and do not seem to be just cause of being "vocal" or getting in disagreements with others. I am sure it puts you in the "spotlight" more if you are "vocal" and get into fights or disagreements but people who haven't been are getting banned too.

[Sephiran]

This may have been true back in the day but nahhh not anymore and not with the recent bans. I know of people who have gotten banned that are not "vocal" and do not get in disagreements with many people if any at all. Recent bans have been different and do not seem to be just cause of being "vocal" or getting in disagreements with others. I am sure it puts you in the "spotlight" more if you are "vocal" and get into fights or disagreements but people who haven't been are getting banned too.

Whenever exploits are found, it's likely that GM's big-brother you in the event(s) that are relevant. The first to get banned are always the spotlight players though. Right? Earlier in this thread people gave explicit examples.

[Mojo]

the confirmation bias is way too strong in this thread=

because it needs to be restated

[Spicyryan]

because it needs to be restated

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[Kyreth]

The problem with that is you expressed it as a something they would do out of pettiness just at the end. On a game that is almost practically over. Assuming any of the ff14 people are even paying attention to bannings on ff11 are going to think SE is serious when they waited this long to do it. As far as income money is still money and honestly I think the people most likely to keep playing for awhile are the ones using at least something (if nothing else simple plug ins like gearswap) and this is having a bit of a ripple effect of people not playing opting to quit or at least put themselves in stasis till the end. Plus if they were going to do this it would've made much more sense before the announcement as there would probably be no money loss as enough people would rebuy to easily make up for those that don't

I honestly think the dev teams hate hackers. Seriously. The RMT era left a really poor taste in the mouth of Square-Enix, and just from idle chatter here and there, I get the impression that the only reason they hadn't been cracking down harder earlier is fear from the original FFXIV 1.0 failure...that is, they didn't want to potentially rock the boat so hard until 2.0 was on it's own feet. If it'd failed, FFXI would have been the only MMO they had in good order. That is, at the end of it all, if the game is purged of what they consider shitty players and only entertaining the "good" ones at the end, it's a moral victory. They don't have to worry about numbers anymore. Thus, nuclear banhammerings on the stuff they let slide up to now.

Heck, I'd lay good odds that there's someone from S-E who's read this thread already. And is likely laughing their ass off at any butthurt along the way. Is it petty? Honestly, no. You cheated, you deserve it, and no number of bought accounts makes it any less deserving when you do it again.