Salvage Bans v 2.0

[Sephiran]

This fucking thread............

I know, right? Kittens and rainbows as far as the eye can see!

[Sephiran]

I feel I should yield this data. I personally hope it's not accurate for variety of reasons.

http://www.ffxiah.com/database

Of course, now I know you all know how to get to the relevant page on XIAH. My point is to say that before the bannings happened, that number under "Total" read approximately 145,000. So...that's a grim perspective into the magnitude of the bans. Keep in mind that a reduction in about 9,500 happened after the March 29 announcement. That says a lot, which is one more reason that March 19th really shocked me. It really did seem like SE was up to their old antics, implying the game's continuity.

[Sirious]

Obviously it's not really accurate. 16 of those active accounts on quetz are me, until it officially goes inactive. Hell there's active players on servers that no longer exist. 119,000 sounds incredibly high.

[Sephiran]

Obviously it's not really accurate. 16 of those active accounts on quetz are me, until it officially goes inactive. Hell there's active players on servers that no longer exist. 119,000 sounds incredibly high.

I mean the decrease in approximately 15,000 after the bannings. Yes, the current value for "Total" is not correct. I intended to direct your attention to the magnitude of the fluctuation, not the value of the "Total" field. Obviously, the Salvage bannings are long done. I checked 145,000 before they started. By now, all updates should have propagated.

Good observation though.

[Byrthnoth]

There's obviously some kind of bug in their database that generates that page (>1000 people active on Unicorn / Gilgamesh), but the proportional decrease of about 20% may still be valid.

I don't think it's fair to ascribe all of that to banning, though. There have been plenty of reasons for people to quit lately, and iirc on Lakshmi even JP primetime was silent after they announced the impending doom of the game.

[Fwahm]

If the error is giving a solid ~+1500 players to every server (one possibility), then the percentage decrease would be lower than 20%. How much the player base went down, percentage wise, can't be determined from that page unless we know the exact source of the original inaccuracy.

[D44kpunk]

So the only people that can judge a game are those that don't like it? That seems more than just a fair bit biased.

what part of unbiased do you not comprehend? in every scenario i have said someone who is unbiased, unbiased means having no bias. i specifically stated for the majority of people if you give them aion (in this example) and ffxi, and they have played neither, they will pick aion every day of the week.

ffxi is out dated for the reasons i have already listed, no one who wasn't pulled out from a 2005 time capsule will enjoy the games controls/combat/UI

considering some of those are mules and theres a lot of inaccuracy ffxi has a population of maybe 60k~?

[Spicyryan]

what part of unbiased do you not comprehend? in every scenario i have said someone who is unbiased, unbiased means having no bias. i specifically stated for the majority of people if you give them aion (in this example) and ffxi, and they have played neither, they will pick aion every day of the week.

ffxi is out dated for the reasons i have already listed, no one who wasn't pulled out from a 2005 time capsule will enjoy the games controls/combat/UI

considering some of those are mules and theres a lot of inaccuracy ffxi has a population of maybe 60k~?

FFXI vs Aion?


Considering every game has populations that are filled with mules, RMT, things of the sort we can't just make up population numbers aside from active listed accounts.

What is outdated about the XI UI? The fact that there are not tons of stupid icons all over the screen to click? The fact that knowing hotkeys is great where as the menu is not? The fact that you can't customize it? Aside from graphically or lacking the pretty overlay what is truly outdated about XI? I personally can't stand the copy paste with subtle changes in them based interfaces. Aions interface, XIVs interface, etc I just can't stand. Sort of like how an iphone drives me nuts the way the interface sucks but tries to look nice instead of having substance or getting out of the way.

I mean it is not like we are comparing the weird shitty Xbox tile layout to the vita or PS3/4 UIs (especially the store letter selection that reminds me of a Zune..). MMO UIs are not that drastically different as those are.

[D44kpunk]

most games base the number off current subscriptions or unique logins, most games also do not facilitate the need for mules as much as FFXI does, or have huge advantages if you play more than 1 character at once.

i seriously don't know why i'm responding to you, you're a special brand of white knight idiot. i'm sure the 5 ffxi players that still actively play and use this board agree with you that ffxi isn't outdated, especially the UI, but you're completely wrong in thinking that. i'm sorry

also you literally just posted a video in pure nynja-retardation style saying that something was my opinion then you proceed to lay down your own opinion.. i don't even know

[Sirious]

Everyone who isn't smart enough to quit yet, or hasn't been banned yet, still defends the game to the death. If they quit for a month, and realize how bad it actually is, or finally do get banned, magically opens your eyes.

Really not much point in carrying on, soon as they quit/bant their view will completely 180.

That being said, the STF needs to hurry the FUCK UP and ban another wave of people, cause yeah, thread rapidly becoming uninteresting. I don't know if there's any english speaking stf that hides out here, but if you are, you should hit me up with a date for the next wave, not like I give a fuck enough to warn anyone, and having that time to pre-make my popcorn would be fantastic.

[Spicyryan]

most games base the number off current subscriptions or unique logins, most games also do not facilitate the need for mules as much as FFXI does, or have huge advantages if you play more than 1 character at once.

i seriously don't know why i'm responding to you, you're a special brand of white knight idiot. i'm sure the 5 ffxi players that still actively play and use this board agree with you that ffxi isn't outdated, especially the UI, but you're completely wrong in thinking that. i'm sorry

also you literally just posted a video in pure nynja-retardation style saying that something was my opinion then you proceed to lay down your own opinion.. i don't even know

The difference between your opinions on the subject and my opinions is that I sit here and try to add some substance to them. Asking how such is the case and you just say whatever you want and act like anyone else is being a white knight, retarded, bias, etc on the subjects so therefore it doesn't warrant your time and you simply can't seem to understand why you bother. I don't sit there and treat my opinion in such a way unless I am just being ridiculous on purpose or the person is just beyond the levels of stupid you are pegging me as.

It is also rather disappointing to see the people who just want to watch FFXI burn and don't see they are the hypocritical opposite of the white knights (I am not a white knight..) they look down on.
Might as well just start using the term black knight for people like Sirious and yourself. I am not is saying FFXI is the best thing since elastic, and no one is directly defending SE that I noticed.

I never said the UI isn't outdated I simply asked you to back up your opinion which you only selectively do, and in this case didn't again. We all obviously have our opinions, but so far yours is just how you can be bitter about something you put a lot of time and effort into and then write others off as white knights and retarded. Seriously, who gets banned even 50 times? Who wants to really relevel the same shit ad nauseam besides you?

I really don't care about Nynja and the name means nothing to me. It be like me calling you Stanflame, Kingnobody, or something, but I can see you will continuously use the name as if it is supposed to mean something to me so go ahead. If you can't see the difference between how I throw my opinion around in the last few posts compared to yours then go for it too because if you don't get it by now then you probably won't.

[D44kpunk]

i was simply bringing attention the fact that you post images/videos/gifs just like him in an attempt to make your points more meaningful or something but it just shits up the page with memes that no one really cares about.

i feel like i said several times why i feel like FFXI is outdated you saying that i have not given reasons isn't going to make me list them again.

i don't care if ffxi lives or dies in an ideal world they would have overhauled ffxi to something close to what 14 is now, people that want to live in 2008 would hate it (you seem like one of them) but it would have been wildly more successful. i do think though that the company (SE) is absolute garbage and this is something i have stated over and over. also i do not play ff14, before you slap that title on me, i tried it and it was far too linear i didn't want to grind story missions (another one of SEs fails is required linear games/storylines in my opinion)

if ffxi was the best game out there it would be the most played, if it was even the 10th best game out there(to an unbiased person) it would have a much higher base, it just isn't. sure some people enjoy it for various reasons, but i'm almost positive no one is going to say "the combat on FFXI is the best i've experienced" "the UI is so next level i don't even have to use windower" "the controls are insane, i love macros and don't even need gearswap/spellcast"

just giving a few examples

[Fwahm]

Yeah, but the combat, graphics, or story don't have to be the best, or close to the best, in order for it to be fun and worth the time for a decent number of people.

[Spicyryan]

i was simply bringing attention the fact that you post images/videos/gifs just like him in an attempt to make your points more meaningful or something but it just shits up the page with memes that no one really cares about.

i feel like i said several times why i feel like FFXI is outdated you saying that i have not given reasons isn't going to make me list them again.

i don't care if ffxi lives or dies in an ideal world they would have overhauled ffxi to something close to what 14 is now, people that want to live in 2008 would hate it (you seem like one of them) but it would have been wildly more successful. i do think though that the company (SE) is absolute garbage and this is something i have stated over and over. also i do not play ff14, before you slap that title on me, i tried it and it was far too linear i didn't want to grind story missions (another one of SEs fails is required linear games/storylines in my opinion)

if ffxi was the best game out there it would be the most played, if it was even the 10th best game out there(to an unbiased person) it would have a much higher base, it just isn't. sure some people enjoy it for various reasons, but i'm almost positive no one is going to say "the combat on FFXI is the best i've experienced" "the UI is so next level i don't even have to use windower" "the controls are insane, i love macros and don't even need gearswap/spellcast"

just giving a few examples

Went and made this real quick so that we can be friends.




Fair enough, thnx fur the examples.
Not quite sure that popularity correlates to the game being the best or not at a certain point, but it is not about being the best anyway.

Yeah, but the combat, graphics, or story don't have to be the best, or close to the best, in order for it to be fun and worth the time for a decent number of people.

Popularity contests and mob rule are the reasons that democracy is a poor system of judgement.

[Limlight]

this hasn't been amusing for a while now, do you guys just HAVE to be right that badly???? I feel kinda.....sad for you........

[Spicyryan]

this hasn't been amusing for a while now, do you guys just HAVE to be right that badly???? I feel kinda.....sad for you........

Wanna fight about it White knight?!

[D44kpunk]

Yeah, but the combat, graphics, or story don't have to be the best, or close to the best, in order for it to be fun and worth the time for a decent number of people.

nope, and obviously one game cannot be the best at all of them but the combat/graphics/ui/etc have not changed since 2003 and will never change and that is a prime example of another reason why SE sucks. it's clearly not mastered and they made no attempts to "master" it.

i'm not really one for storylines so idk how they did there, apparently FFXIs is pretty good, personally i'd rather read a book or watch a TV show if i want something for story.

[Kyreth]

Everyone who isn't smart enough to quit yet, or hasn't been banned yet, still defends the game to the death. If they quit for a month, and realize how bad it actually is, or finally do get banned, magically opens your eyes.

Really not much point in carrying on, soon as they quit/bant their view will completely 180.

Left for years. Nothing quite like FFXI- and proceeded to come back. The average F2P MMO has players that make the dumbest I run into doing FFXI look like Einsteins at times, with some serious mouthbreathers going on in gems like Rifts. Or SWTOR, for two good examples. But please, believe what you like.

Edit: As for not changing: FFXI couldn't significantly change all along, being bound to a PS2 "minimum". FFXIV, by comparsion can and did, and represents a "modern" MMO. Retro doesn't mean "not fun", however...even EverQuest-the-original-flavor is still getting a steady enough playbase to keep right on rolling along.

[dasva]

Wanna fight about it White knight?!

So it's time to meme up this thread eh? Ok

[Niiro]

FFXI couldn't significantly change all along, being bound to a PS2 "minimum". FFXIV, by comparsion

.....is bound to the PS3 in the same exact way.