Meanwhile, in Florida.

[Mrbeansman]

It really doesn't matter when boomers show up to vote for Republicans in mass while dems don't vote because the candidate didn't make a stop in their town.

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[Anoat]

Yeah, I'm kinda glad conservatives are going after Disney but they gotta do it the most petty way possible. It seems the way they're rushing this through it's probably going to hurt more Floridans in the short term.

Is Desantis popular in Florida?

It was a close election his first time around, he has since proven himself to be an even more dangerous Trump with actual intelligence and political savvy while maintaining the authoritarian fascist streak. Trumpers LOVE him. He is either going to be re-elected in a landslide if he runs for governor again or, as many believe, will take a shot at the 2024 presidential nomination, which again is what most of this boils down to.

[Salodin]

Wishing so hard he runs for POTUS so we can be rid of him here.

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[Tyrath]

Oh yeah, because making him everyone's problem is such a good idea

I have 0 faith in the dems retaining the presidency in 2024. You're literally wishing for the monkey paw outcome there

[NynJa]

wrong thread lol

[Mrbeansman]

It was a close election his first time around, he has since proven himself to be an even more dangerous Trump with actual intelligence and political savvy while maintaining the authoritarian fascist streak. Trumpers LOVE him. He is either going to be re-elected in a landslide if he runs for governor again or, as many believe, will take a shot at the 2024 presidential nomination, which again is what most of this boils down to.

Yeah the idea of a President DeSantis is absolutely terrifying he's legitimatly a competent version of Trump.

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[Tyrath]

wrong thread lol

Is it? We still talking about DeSantis here

[arus2001]

2024 is pretty much the same issue as 2020 for Dems, the party pretty much refuses to yield to younger hopefuls. Of course, it'll also be the same begging and pleading for leftists to vote in the most important election ever and then forgetting they and related promises exist after. But it will also be their fault as everything continues to crumble to right-leaning centrism or growing far-right lunacy.

Do shit and get votes. Unironically, that's what the deplorables of the right are doing even if trying to rig the game in their favor. You're not going to counter leftist apathy by letting Manchin ruin everything with what few issues even get to see the voting table. But please, tell us more about how we don't matter, but you can't actually do anything without us. Current score seems more like they don't want to do anything with us.

Sympathy for Biden inheriting Trump's clusterfuckery only goes so far. Sucks the next 6 years will probably be red.

[Gredival]

2024 is pretty much the same issue as 2020 for Dems, the party pretty much refuses to yield to younger hopefuls. Of course, it'll also be the same begging and pleading for leftists to vote in the most important election ever and then forgetting they and related promises exist after. But it will also be their fault as everything continues to crumble to right-leaning centrism or growing far-right lunacy.

Do shit and get votes. Unironically, that's what the deplorables of the right are doing even if trying to rig the game in their favor. You're not going to counter leftist apathy by letting Manchin ruin everything with what few issues even get to see the voting table. But please, tell us more about how we don't matter, but you can't actually do anything without us. Current score seems more like they don't want to do anything with us.

Sympathy for Biden inheriting Trump's clusterfuckery only goes so far. Sucks the next 6 years will probably be red.

The progressive platform is actively anathema to everyone that's not progressive.

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[Mrbeansman]

2024 is pretty much the same issue as 2020 for Dems, the party pretty much refuses to yield to younger hopefuls. Of course, it'll also be the same begging and pleading for leftists to vote in the most important election ever and then forgetting they and related promises exist after. But it will also be their fault as everything continues to crumble to right-leaning centrism or growing far-right lunacy.

Do shit and get votes. Unironically, that's what the deplorables of the right are doing even if trying to rig the game in their favor. You're not going to counter leftist apathy by letting Manchin ruin everything with what few issues even get to see the voting table. But please, tell us more about how we don't matter, but you can't actually do anything without us. Current score seems more like they don't want to do anything with us.

Sympathy for Biden inheriting Trump's clusterfuckery only goes so far. Sucks the next 6 years will probably be red.

Maybe progressives should stop letting the world burn if they don't get what they want. Like I cannot fathom the world these people live in where the status quo is just as bad or worse then letting the right win and make things worse.

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[kuronosan]

I DIDN'T GET 100% OF WHAT I WANTED THEREFORE I WILL NOW SETTLE FOR 0% AND COMPLAIN ABOUT IT said literally every stupid fucking modern voter ever.

[Anoat]

I had many friends in the last election that were diehard Bernie bros and because he didn’t get the dem nomination they were going to vote third party to “send a message” and I could not for the life of me convince them that if the goal was to unseat Trump then sending their little fucking message in Florida of all places was the worst idea possible considering it’s perpetually purple status.

[arus2001]

These reactions are pretty much telltale why they give zero fucks. Instead of, "Hey, we hear you. What can we do?" it's "Haha moron quit being a baby"

Sure, we don't get 100%. How about 70%? 50%? The point that alliances need to be mutually beneficial seems lost and here we are deep into "nothing will fundamentally change" as the right just pushes more and more of their evil.

[Gredival]

A year of nonstop coverage of George Floyd's murder, the police still have a 5x higher approval rating than black lives matter. The problem is there isn't a lot of room for "some progress" before progressive voters start trading off with moderate voters.

And we saw Biden win in 2020 specifically by winning moderate white voters. Trump gained in almost all demographics but not enough to offset how many moderate whites he lost to Biden.

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[arus2001]

A year of nonstop coverage of George Floyd's murder, the police still have a 5x higher approval rating than black lives matter. The problem is there isn't a lot of room for "some progress" before progressive voters start trading off with moderate voters.

I don't really need a reminder that a not-insignificant portion of America is racist and that the media is going to favor those in power while being against policies that diminish the power of those very same individuals. And really, this is before getting into the implicit political bias and fearmongering the right leveraged through Defund.

And we saw Biden win in 2020 specifically by winning moderate white voters. Trump gained in almost all demographics but not enough to offset how many moderate whites he lost to Biden.

Mind, this isn't a problem that just sprung up with 2020. Ignoring leftist issues is practically systemic at this point and why I pointed out the apathy earlier. You're not going to win the demographic when you give them nothing of value. Or have we forgotten about the whole "Hope and Change" sensationalism leading up 2008 and what motivated younger voters then? We got Obamacare barely in a bastardized form and it's been vilified and chipped away at since. Now we're in the era of paying for medical care with gofundmes or looking at bullshit costs for insulin, epipens, and so on before covid fucked things up more. Climate change, student loans/college, lgbt+ rights, female autonomy, livable minimum wage, housing/rent costs, immigration, term limits, police brutality and lack of accountability, dark money, and then some aren't just surprise issues. Let's give the GOP more easy fuel to burn with inflation, gas prices, and the everyman have to struggle all the more.

But unemployment down, stock numbers up! Yay....?

[Tyrath]

I DIDN'T GET 100% OF WHAT I WANTED THEREFORE I WILL NOW SETTLE FOR 0% AND COMPLAIN ABOUT IT said literally every stupid fucking modern voter ever.

As someone who always votes for the lesser evil, this really helps. Asshat.

[Tomiko]

As someone who always votes for the lesser evil, this really helps. Asshat.

The GoP is out there going hard towards their agenda while the Dems are out here taking baby steps trying to call it progress. But the people complaining is certainly the issue. lol

[Mrbeansman]

These reactions are pretty much telltale why they give zero fucks. Instead of, "Hey, we hear you. What can we do?" it's "Haha moron quit being a baby"

Sure, we don't get 100%. How about 70%? 50%? The point that alliances need to be mutually beneficial seems lost and here we are deep into "nothing will fundamentally change" as the right just pushes more and more of their evil.

If leftist voters won't do the bare minimum and go to the polls to prevent literal fascist from winning and making our lives worse why should we listen to what they have to say.



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[Mrbeansman]

Doing this might not make things better therfore I will do the thing that will for sure make things worse. This is leftist argument in a nutshellm

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[kuronosan]

The GoP is out there going hard towards their agenda while the Dems are out here taking baby steps trying to call it progress. But the people complaining is certainly the issue. lol

So you can make an argument that Democrats need to be doing far more to push their agenda, or you can make an argument that voters who want their agenda passed need to actually turn out.

But if someone doesn't check 100% of your boxes and you don't turn out you literally end up with almost nothing that you wanted and therefore have no right to complain about it.

You can't get shit done if you don't show up.