GamerGate thread

[Teryu]

Wow, that was actually pretty good.

[Ksandra]

Oh yeah, a non sequitur into a shameless plug is much better than derailing a conversation and demonizing your opposition to segue into a plug.

If your problem is that you're apathetic about what a shitbag Anita is, keep it to yourself. I'm sick of seeing her opportunistically abusing logical fallacy and shamelessly profiteering while still getting the benefit of the doubt from the media and being cast as a benevolent paragon of cultural criticism.

I think anita is a shitstain but I'd like her to go away rather than keep being brought up into the limelight for every last damn thing she says.

Yes, it is gross she would post this so soon after the shooting, but it is no big conspiracy or anything. Gamers are helping her continue to get money and popularity by being outraged over everything she does.

I am pretty sure she knows this and is why she is willing to do it.

[Kibble]

Oh yeah, a non sequitur into a shameless plug is much better than derailing a conversation and demonizing your opposition to segue into a plug.

If your problem is that you're apathetic about what a shitbag Anita is, keep it to yourself. I'm sick of seeing her opportunistically abusing logical fallacy and shamelessly profiteering while still getting the benefit of the doubt from the media and being cast as a benevolent paragon of cultural criticism.

If you're able to so deftly see through the bullshit that Anita puts out, why can't you see through the bullshit that many of the people that GG rally behind put out?

[Kuya]

Oh yeah, a non sequitur into a shameless plug is much better than derailing a conversation and demonizing your opposition to segue into a plug.

If your problem is that you're apathetic about what a shitbag Anita is, keep it to yourself. I'm sick of seeing her opportunistically abusing logical fallacy and shamelessly profiteering while still getting the benefit of the doubt from the media and being cast as a benevolent paragon of cultural criticism.

But I think the whole reason she is being cast as a benevolent paragon of cultural criticism is precisely because she has been made to seem the victim of internet misogyny because some people in GG can't seem to engage in debate without saying anything remotely misogynist.

[Kuya]

Pretty much this.

If a gay character is written well with no mention of him actually being gay how would you know he is gay without it being explicitly mentioned? For the majority of movies there is only one straight couple being the main character and the love interest, who's to say every other character in the movie isn't gay?

For example someone just cited Bill from the last of us being a well written gay character yet the only thing that even let's you know he is gay is a very brief mention of a past same sex partner. He could have very easily just remained a loner handyman who didn't talk about his backstory and still been gay without it being mentioned, but it HAS to be mentioned for people to know hence the problem of forcing characters to be blatantly gay a lot of the time without it seeming forced, a la the nigga earlier whining about dumbledore bein gay for book attention.

But then again i don't care i prefer all my gays in movies to be like the birdcage.

Did you prefer the way Bill's sexuality was handled?

Oberyn Martell. That dude was a bad ass and the way his sexuality was handled was hilariously awesome.

Agreed. I wish GoT had a bi or gay character that lasted longer. I can't really complain since dying is pretty common in that series, but it would be nice to have at least one to identify with and not die within the same season.

[Kuya]

I never claimed media should be proportional... I claimed that you look nit-picky when you complain that an already over represented demographic should be even more over represented simply because it's your demographic. It's like me saying there needs to be more white heterosexual males on TV...

As for maze runner, from what I've read it doesn't have any romantic scenes, so why should it elaborate on sexual orientation? And I was never equating homosexuality in movies to hardcore porn, hence "in any context". For kids shows it's unnecessary, for tween bullshit like this "maze runner" if it actually fit the context of the movie it's no biggie - but yeah it doesn't seem too.

Saying that LGBT people are over represented and saying media representation should be proportional are the same thing. What exactly are you using to justify the conjecture that LGBT people are over presented? Over represented by what standard?

Could you run your analogy by me again? You're saying that... me claiming that a group of people who are often left out of media, gaming media in particular since this is the main subject of the thread, is like you claiming that the group of people represented by most gaming media needs to be represented more? That doesn't make any sense. The only way this analogy could make sense is if LGBT people were represented as often as straight people are, but you've yet to prove this is the case.

Let's note i'm not even asking for straight people to be excluded from any stories. So i'm not saying they're over represented because I don't think that if they are 99% of the population they can only exist in 99% of the games. That's nonsensical. Having straight people and LGBT people isn't mutually exclusive. So while you can have more LGBT characters, it doesn't have to mean that there are less straight characters.

I will give you one point: romance, if present in any way at all, was very muted in Maze Runner. There is a hint of a relationship between the protagonist and the girl, but they could always be siblings for all we know at this point in the movie.

[Amiricle]

But I think the whole reason she is being cast as a benevolent paragon of cultural criticism is precisely because she has been made to seem the victim of internet misogyny because some people in GG can't seem to engage in debate without saying anything remotely misogynist.

Precisely why I've been completely oblivious of what the gamegate shit was until recently is because anything I see attached to the names of Zoe or Anita, I instantly disregard.

[Priran]

Speaking of Zoe:

Somebody doxxed a GGer, who is a lawyer. Zoe Quinn retweeted it, and so that lawyer employed a PI to investigate her as part of his planning a lawsuit. The guy who originally doxxed the lawyer organized people to brigade the LAPD's anonymous tip site and Zoe "signal boosted" it, which caused the police to show up at the lawyer's house. Quinn and the doxxer are now being investigated by the FBI for swatting.

[Kuya]

Another thing that GG has a problem with is that I imagine there must be a few women who would like to agree more with GG, but are turned off by the way in which Zoe's sex life has been turned into its lance. For some women, I imagine, who are used to having their value determined based on their physical appearance and being attacked and diminished based on their sexual conduct, it must be very uncomfortable seeing Zoe's sex life tied to the subject of ethics in gaming journalism. I'm sure many GGers think that Zoe's sexual behavior does have something to do with ethics in journalism, but they should understand that to some women, this might look like old fashioned slut shaming.

[tyven]

so quinn is under investigation for retweeting someone?

[Priran]

She's being sued for assisting in the spread of an invasion of his privacy.

She's being investigated because the LAPD thing was implicitly done with her knowledge, from what can be gleaned from that blog post and a couple tweets by her friends. It's an investigation, not charges, it might've been wholly the doxxer's idea.

[archibaldcrane]

Wait, why are we talking about Zoe or Anita at all in this thread? I thought it was actually about ethics in gaming journalism?

[Kuya]

Joking aside, I think there are some GGers who are genuinely interested in ethics in gaming journalism, but the problem is they're not the only ones in GG and they don't have a monopoly on what GG stands for. There are other people in GG who clearly do have a bone to pick with Anita and Zoe and GG seems to be their vehicle for waging a war on them.

[Priran]

Wait, why are we talking about Zoe or Anita at all in this thread? I thought it was actually about ethics in gaming journalism?

Can you either learn to read or just fuck off with this? I'm talking about them in context of their relation to GG, which in this case is to dox GGers for Zoe and to blame them for school shootings for Anita.

Just because GG isn't about what they do doesn't mean I'm hamstrung into not addressing it when they slander GG.

I was arguing about that Kluwe idiot too, does that make GG anti-sportball now?

[Teryu]

Oh right, Pririan you're gonna want to change your sig.

http://s852.photobucket.com/user/Geo...531d9.png.html

edit: Stupid pics not working

[tyven]

priran what are your thoughts on mike cernovich? does it bother you that he supports people like pax dickinson and that chick who made the joke about africa but wants to get people like sam biddle fired for making their own jokes?

do you feel his involvement takes the spotlight away from the grassroots effort put forth by the people in KIA who actually seem like decent individuals? the ones that actually are making it about ethics in video game journalism

[archibaldcrane]

Anita blamed toxic masculinity for school shootings, not gamergate.

You should read your own posts, champ.

[thetruepandagod]

Did you prefer the way Bill's sexuality was handled?

I don't care how many gays are in a movie or how they are presented to me. So no preference personally.

[archibaldcrane]

Unless you think gamergate is the epitome of toxic masculinity...

[tyven]

I don't care how many gays are in a movie or how they are presented to me. So no preference personally.

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