GamerGate thread

[NynJa]

So, I'm curious on this one. Are game devs and publishers not worried about all this? Word about corruption in gameing journalism isnt a big deal? This whole situation is getting massive media attention now, and if people start to believe that these reviewers are giving bullshit reviews, no ones going to trust them and people will just resort to piracy and determine on their own if the games are worth the money.

[Blubbartron]

What the fuck is the point of even opening the thread again if the person opening it proudly spews vitriol at the people who think it's an important issue? Tyven isn't even attempting to be neutral here, and worse, he's obviously baiting people to respond negatively. How long will it be before we have another round of bans for people that don't cozy up to the idea that women and white knights need to be catered to when they make up such a small portion of the demographic?

Also, Bane, gaming journalism has been a steaming pile of dog shit for a long while, so why are people so fucking eager to shit all over the first thing to come along that's trying to get some ethics back in their journalists? Do we just throw the baby out with the bath water and accept that we'll never, ever have decent reviews of video games? Or do we use this as the catalyst to say enough is enough? I'm not an optimistic person, but I'm still going to choose hope that things can get better. However, that hope is dashed entirely when gamers side with the perma-victims who take offense at the slightest little thing.

[tyven]

What the fuck is the point of even opening the thread again if the person opening it proudly spews vitriol at the people who think it's an important issue? Tyven isn't even attempting to be neutral here, and worse, he's obviously baiting people to respond negatively. How long will it be before we have another round of bans for people that don't cozy up to the idea that women and white knights need to be catered to when they make up such a small portion of the demographic?

Also, Bane, gaming journalism has been a steaming pile of dog shit for a long while, so why are people so fucking eager to shit all over the first thing to come along that's trying to get some ethics back in their journalists? Do we just throw the baby out with the bath water and accept that we'll never, ever have decent reviews of video games? Or do we use this as the catalyst to say enough is enough? I'm not an optimistic person, but I'm still going to choose hope that things can get better. However, that hope is dashed entirely when gamers side with the perma-victims who take offense at the slightest little thing.

Hey now, I will have you know I was one of those people in that round of bans. that being said, who the fuck said i need to remain neutral? im not a mediator, jfc

[Koul]

What the fuck is the point of even opening the thread again if the person opening it proudly spews vitriol at the people who think it's an important issue? Tyven isn't even attempting to be neutral here, and worse, he's obviously baiting people to respond negatively. How long will it be before we have another round of bans for people that don't cozy up to the idea that women and white knights need to be catered to when they make up such a small portion of the demographic?

Also, Bane, gaming journalism has been a steaming pile of dog shit for a long while, so why are people so fucking eager to shit all over the first thing to come along that's trying to get some ethics back in their journalists? Do we just throw the baby out with the bath water and accept that we'll never, ever have decent reviews of video games? Or do we use this as the catalyst to say enough is enough? I'm not an optimistic person, but I'm still going to choose hope that things can get better. However, that hope is dashed entirely when gamers side with the perma-victims who take offense at the slightest little thing.

My favorite thing is when liberal hippie douche A posts this:


when white conservative tard bitches about something.

yet liberal hippie douche doesn't take their own advice and rages.

[Blubbartron]

Hey now, I will have you know I was one of those people in that round of bans. that being said, who the fuck said i need to remain neutral? im not a mediator, jfc

I understand that you're a person like any of us, and are entitled to your thoughts about any given subject, but reopening a thread and then trolling it with bait is just fucking petty. If you have something worthwhile to add to the discussion, by all means, I'm glad to read more on the subject. Maybe you'll show me something that'll change my mind. But being a petulant child certainly won't.

[Correction]

Irrelevant conclusion. Use refutation by logical analogy:

_________ was defeated by failing to rally around identifiable leadership with a shred of credibility.

Just fill-in the blank, baby.

The beauty of an argument is that it needs not depend on one's 'credibility,' but logical composition. Thank you.

Just about everyone behind GG that I can identify by face or actual name is a disreputable figure in the conservative media with exactly one exception. GG hides behind its anonymity so it can continue to hand wave away the threats as 'not us, but you should probably do what those issuing threats and harassment are asking for, anyway.'

[tyven]

I understand that you're a person like any of us, and are entitled to your thoughts about any given subject, but reopening a thread and then trolling it with bait is just fucking petty. If you have something worthwhile to add to the discussion, by all means, I'm glad to read more on the subject. Maybe you'll show me something that'll change my mind. But being a petulant child certainly won't.

fair enough, but since this isn't a subject i really give a fuck about, chances are i won't teach you anything. i actually find the whole thing laughable. i only care about kanye west and sneakers, so you can see where the disconnect is. so in the interest of having some real discussion here, i would like you or any of the other gamergaters to show me why you are all so upset. outside of me laughing at you, which i understand is prob annoying

I just pulled this from a verge article http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/23/7...hurting-people

Here are the most allegedly damning specific flaws that, in my time following it, Gamergate has dug up:

A games journalist quoted a developer in a larger longform piece, shortly before entering into a romantic relationship with her
Another games journalist wrote a handful of posts about (mostly free) indie games made by a roommate
Several journalists contributed small monthly payments to indie game developers
Several journalists joined a mailing list
Several journalists wrote pieces either linking to or elaborating on a pair of articles that led with the phrases "end of gamers" and "gamers are over" within a short period of time
A journalist outside the gaming press tastelessly called for "bringing back bullying"
A large number of things that are not games journalists, including the IGF, Reddit, and DiGRA, did a variety of things that do not fit any definition of real or attempted journalism

looking at that list of offenses, it really does seem to me, and most likely any other casual observer, that you guys are really just upset at that some sites said "gamers are over" and feminists being mean about your vidya, I guess Gawker and The Onion making fun of you all is prob salt in the wound. You have to see how petulant GG comes off. I swung by kotaku in action and a ton of activity there is based on trying to TAKE DOWN gawker. Seems like a real joke when this whole thing is supposed to be about ethics in gaming journalism.

For so many of you to be SO passionate i clearly have to be missing something, so lay it out. Why should I be as upset as all of you.

[Mazmaz]

wait shit, is tyven a game journalist?

[tyven]

also, isnt it at least a little bit embarrassing that everyone said you guys were basically like the tea party and then breitbart and daily caller are the ones that come to your aid?

i mean how long until citizens united are crafting the copy of your grassroots efforts?

[Blubbartron]

Your list of offenses is a gross downplaying of the severity of the facts. A bunch of game journalists didn't "join a mailing list." They were, and have been, using this mailing list to "collaborate" (read: collude) on exactly what stance they should take regarding a situation, how to spin it, and on what day to release their articles to achieve maximum effect.

Also, as much as these people want to downplay Zoe Quinn's sex life as personal and private, it stopped being so when she began using her sex life to advance her professional life. I can't summarize the pages and pages of damning evidence released by her now ex-boyfriend, but you should go read it. The chat logs between her and married guys, game journalists, etc, show her to be a despicable human being, and the fact that people are coming to her rescue as if she's a damsel in distress is the most ironic and infuriating thing I've witnessed of late.

Lastly, as has been said time and time again, by various people in the other thread and now this one, the people reporting on an issue do not determine whether what they are reporting is true. The evidence they're reporting is what determines if something is true. Breitbart is shady, everyone knows this, but they're shady in the sense that they obtain and release otherwise "private" material (like logs from a mailing list). The logs are the logs regardless of who releases them, and the logs are the evidence that shows the conspiring journalists should be ignored until something at those companies changes to make it obvious that sort of behavior will no longer be tolerated.

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Also, as much as these people want to downplay Zoe Quinn's sex life as personal and private, it stopped being so when she began using her sex life to advance her professional life.

lol

[Blubbartron]

lol

You really think that we shouldn't call it a problem when developers are sleeping with journalists and "purely coincidentally" getting a bunch of articles written about their shit-ass games when there are hundreds (probably thousands) of other indie titles that get exactly zero coverage? It's nepotism, which has everything to do with journalism ethics.

It doesn't matter that Zoe happens to be female. It's true regardless of gender or orientation, and regardless of which person fucked up and let it be discovered (whether the developer or journalist).

[Correction]

You really think that we shouldn't call it a problem when developers are sleeping with journalists and "purely coincidentally" getting a bunch of articles written about their shit-ass games when there are hundreds (probably thousands) of other indie titles that get exactly zero coverage?

ahahahahahahaha

[BaneTheBrawler]

Also, Bane, gaming journalism has been a steaming pile of dog shit for a long while ... Do we just throw the baby out with the bath water and accept that we'll never, ever have decent reviews of video games?

yes. game journalism is a relic of the pre-internet gaming culture. why do i need a published review when i can just go on youtube and watch some LetsPlays or to a fansite and check out what people are saying? The ONLY reason to go to a published space for a review anymore is if you're thinking about getting the game day 1 but aren't sold yet, but honestly if you're really that close just fucking go for it and return it if you hate it.

game journalism is like the bradygames guide to FFXI. let it die and use google.

[Blubbartron]

yes. game journalism is a relic of the pre-internet gaming culture. why do i need a published review when i can just go on youtube and watch some LetsPlays or to a fansite and check out what people are saying? The ONLY reason to go to a published space for a review anymore is if you're thinking about getting the game day 1 but aren't sold yet, but honestly if you're really that close just fucking go for it and return it if you hate it.

game journalism is like the bradygames guide to FFXI. let it die and use google.

I thought LetsPlays were getting DMCA'd out the ass because of blatant copyright infringement? Otherwise, yeah, you make a good point. Granted, I do happen to be one of those people that enjoys playing on day 1. Get hype and shit.

[Teryu]

Nah let's plays are doing fine nowadays, it's just Nintendo is being weird with them monetizing videos of their games.

[Correction]

why do i need a published review when i can just go on youtube and watch some LetsPlays or to a fansite and check out what people are saying?

These are far from immune to the corrupting reach of publishers.

Oops.

[Blubbartron]

These are far from immune to the corrupting reach of publishers.

Oops.

Nice find. Fun fact - did you know TotalBiscuit is one of the people that anti-GG folks have rampantly attacked even though he's clearly a good guy? He's called out several times in that video as choosing the high road to be an ethical reviewer.

[Kuya]

Thank you for opening the thread again, tyven. It was weird that the thread was locked in the first place, with accusations of it being troll bait when in this very forum we constantly use the Colbert Report and The Daily Show to convey points via satire. Clickhole, partnered to The Onion, is also a satire site. It appears that some pro-GG people in this forum, rather than responding to the inherent points reflected in the satire news piece, wanted to rely on the thread being locked by virtue of loud complaining. It was also odd to me that the thread wasn't locked in the first place by someone other than ksandra, considering she is an avowed anti-feminist. Ironically, some posters here are claiming bias because tyven doesn't agree completely with the GG crowed, but these same people probably didn't mind the bias that might have been inherent in ksandra. Oh well.

How long will it be before we have another round of bans for people that don't cozy up to the idea that women and white knights need to be catered to when they make up such a small portion of the demographic?

So you think that if a group is a minority, it doesn't deserve any attention?

I think your opinion is reactionary because paying more attention to women and minorities in gaming media doesn't detract from paying attention to straight white men. I also feel that your opinion is somewhat common in GG and I would appreciate it if more people from GG would own up to the fact that this is in fact how they feel and that GG isn't just about ethics in journalism but also a backlash against demands for more inclusiveness in gaming media.

Also, Bane, gaming journalism has been a steaming pile of dog shit for a long while, so why are people so fucking eager to shit all over the first thing to come along that's trying to get some ethics back in their journalists? Do we just throw the baby out with the bath water and accept that we'll never, ever have decent reviews of video games? Or do we use this as the catalyst to say enough is enough? I'm not an optimistic person, but I'm still going to choose hope that things can get better. However, that hope is dashed entirely when gamers side with the perma-victims who take offense at the slightest little thing.

I think GG is too tainted by misogynists and anti-feminists to be worth saving. I agree ethics in journalism is important, but not important enough to join sides with anti-feminists.

If GG could purge the anti-feminist and misogynist element (because i realize not everyone in it is), i would join it.

[Correction]

I think TB is right a lot of the time.
I think he was way wrong when his answer to women in the media getting death threats was to ignore it and not talk about it.
I don't think TB or anybody deserves to get spammed with harassment or death threats.