GamerGate thread

[LittleSlurpee]

http://www.businessweek.com/articles...ate-harassment

There should be balance in our games, right? I mean.. I wanna stare at the digital backside of a hot male character, too~

But seriously, I think what concerns me the most out of this article isn't simply the womanizing themes that plague our games-- what *really* concerns me is the insane amount of backlash and threats this poor woman gets just for trying to speak out for her cause. Not even the FBI seem capable of stemming the frightening tide of death threats she receives.
It's not as if she has the power to completely eliminate all tits and ass and female related game violence from games. Even if she did have that power, I doubt it would change games very much at their core.
As a fellow female gamer, I really hope that the masses here at Blue Gartr are different. I want to believe there's plenty of male gamers out there willing to understand the issue at hand and be willing to support female gamers with their concerns.
When it comes to game related harassment, I also hope that there is a strong class of male gamers that will step in during such situations and help put it to an end. After all, these kind of people (who harass and hate) are the ones who really ruin it for us all; male and female gamers alike.
As far as the feminist issues in games go, I'm all for equality-- equal digital violence, nudity, and degradation for us all~ Bring me female heroes who can fight for themselves and male NPC's who twerk in the buff for my pleasure.
Now that I've vented...
I'm curios to know where the people here stand.

NEVER MIND.
I was foolish to think that people here could be any better.
My bad.
No shortage of assholes anywhere..
I'm done with this place.

[NynJa]

NEVER MIND.
I was stupid to think that people here could be any better.
My bad.

Was waiting for the move

Remember, it's those creeps in Gamergate driving women out of gaming.

YUP, another extremist feminist hard at work.

[Blubbartron]

NEVER MIND.
I was stupid to think that people here could be any better.
My bad.

The ironic thing about your post is that video games really are pretty egalitarian when it comes to violence and hyper-sexualization. All dudes are beefcakes, and all chicks are bimbos. Both of them get blown up and otherwise victimized. The problem comes when you listen to an idiot like Anita Sarkeesian cherry-picking her way through video games and going "look how awul this is that a woman was killed" ignoring the fact that plenty of dudes got killed right up to the point she did.

Maybe if you stopped listening to people telling you to hate gamers, you wouldn't think so little of us. You've got the equality you claim to want. Deal with it.

[Drex]

https://archive.today/9IxcW

Remember, it's those creeps in Gamergate driving women out of gaming.

if nothing else, fauxial media is convenient because it lets me take credit for doing things without having to go to the trouble of actually doing them

[LittleSlurpee]

I'm a gamer.
I don't hate anyone.
I'm aware of all that crap you just said-- before you said it.

Maybe if anyone actually took the time to read what I said, you'd notice these two points: I am against people bashing and hating on each other over text based crap like this because you're ultimately a coward hiding behind a screen when it comes down to it. You (not specifically you) can come back and whine about "seeing this forum post before" because you and everyone else just wants excuses to bitch. But where is the line?

I only wanted confirmation that there's GAMER GUYS out there who have a heart enough to stand up for people just getting outright bashed in the gaming genre. But alas, this forum and any forum like it is OVER FLOWING with people who'd rather gang hate on people.
I'm repulsed that there's so many MALE GAMERS who think there's nothing wrong with the severity of threats this woman receives. All you cock wielders can say is "wahhh there's plenty of male on male violence and youtube has people cutting down her arguements and she's wrong so wahhh". And you completely look over the severity of threats she gets FROM FELLOW GAMERS and all you can do is grab your nuts and war cry for the digital sanctity of your damn games.

NO. Game content EQUALITY is NOT what I really want to talk about.
What I want to talk about is GAMER MORALITY.
Do you have a line you won't cross when it comes to things that LOOK and FEEL wrong?
Would you or have you ever stood up against this kind of crap? Or are you ok with simply looking passed it?
DO ANY OF THE MALE GAMERS HERE HAVE MORAL CODES OF CONDUCT WHEN IT COMES TO THE GAMING REALM???
Or is it OKAY to verbally assault and threaten people through digital media? (Because it's "safe" behind your precious screen.)
Does it get you off? Or make you feel bad like a human being should??

I made ONE THREAD with a link to a subject that has been mentioned before, and it wasn't even a minute after that someone had to bitch because he/she had in their sorry long forum life, recognized some similarity between the subjects, and WHINED like they're so -very well- practiced at.

I'm honestly fed up with how people have lost a sense of self control when it comes to their words. There are no laws protecting people from digital media based harassment. You can say ANYTHING in forums like these without any repercussions (minus forum moderator responses)-- or so you think. Until one day one of the crazies you brazenly verbally assaulted during a Call of Duty match decides to look up your address and visit you with a shotgun.

I'm going to say this ONCE MORE for the plenty of you with thick skulls.
Talk to me about G A M E R M O R A L I T Y and how you think it should be dealt with. This isn't a hard concept. We are going to be dealing with a lot of issues like this in the "digital age" that we are in.

Now to offer my own idea.. I honestly think all game platforms should all have an open profile for people which reflects their codes of conduct. Get merits or demerits in response to how you conduct yourself and your character in multi-player settings. Restrict those prone to issue. Eliminate the "faceless" aspect in gaming so people can't hide behind the screen and are thus forced to better "filter" themselves and their actions. Have profiles show your standing reputation. And any serious threats or offenses can be recorded, reported, and dealt with as necessary.
I don't think the majority of gamers these days have the capability of keeping themselves in check.
There's plenty of proof out there that gamers need some kind of authority to keep things civil.

[Charismatic]

male gamers, male gamers, male gamers.
Its all your fault, men.

[LittleSlurpee]

male gamers, male gamers, male gamers.
Its all your fault, men.

Yes... I mean, no.
Not what I was trying to get at. I know girls can be just as bad about this nonsense.
I don't know why I just don't see a girl getting so mad about a game that she'd tote a shotgun over to a fellow gamers house and blow him away over it.
I unintentionally targeted the male gamers on the subject because the articles circle a female feminist under verbal assault for trying to get the female image more respectfully represented in games.
Honestly the matter of GAMER MORALITY goes both ways. It's a bi-sexual issue.

[Blubbartron]

As someone else said in the other thread, anyone who spouts an opinion online and gets a lot of attention for it is going to get hate. It's not gamers that are the problem, it's humanity. People = shit. So again I say, deal with it. That's not going to change any time soon, and trying to single out gamers as if we're exceptionally hateful is counterproductive because it makes you look ignorant, and it makes us irate for being discriminated against.

[Charismatic]

Yes... I mean, no.
Not what I was trying to get at. I know girls can be just as bad about this nonsense.
I don't know why I just don't see a girl getting so mad about a game that she'd tote a shotgun over to a fellow gamers house and blow him away over it.
I unintentionally targeted the male gamers on the subject because the articles circle a female feminist under verbal assault for trying to get the female image more respectfully represented in games.
Honestly the matter of GAMER MORALITY goes both ways. It's a bi-sexual issue.

Yes, we all think it sucks that people get death threats for having an opinion.
We all think it sucks that people are treated poorly in general, but we've been around long enough and are smart enough to know that conflict will exist as long as humans do. There's not really much to say.

Also...

It's a bi-sexual issue.

[LittleSlurpee]

As someone else said in the other thread, anyone who spouts an opinion online and gets a lot of attention for it is going to get hate. It's not gamers that are the problem, it's humanity. People = shit. So again I say, deal with it. That's not going to change any time soon, and trying to single out gamers as if we're exceptionally hateful is counterproductive because it makes you look ignorant, and it makes us irate for being discriminated against.

Never said gamers are exclusively hateful. Nor am I trying to single out gamers. I said earlier that humans are mostly evil. Something I know rather, painfully, well.
I'm not discriminating, either.
I'm simply concerned about the moral status of gamers as a sort of culture. Never once had I said gamers were exclusively hateful or bad. Like anything humans are involved in, it's a mash up of black and white and grey issues all over. Good and bad people alike play games. Male and female.
Deal with it? That's supposed to be an answer? Is that what you'd say to a kid getting beat up by a bully? Or perhaps you'd say that to one of those school shooter teens?
Discussion of a problem is not counter productive. Trying to explain it to you, however, is beginning to be.

Once more going back to the topic I am trying to discuss..
Gamer Morality; some of us are capable of filtering ourselves and remembering that behind every playable character there's a human being. Some of us are not.
When it comes to people who routinely have issues with verbal assaults (with the potential to escalate to full blown violence) there needs to be some control. A line needs to be drawn.
How? Where? What do you do about it, if anything?
What are people supposed to do when you're getting harassed so bad in multiple forms of digital media that you're afraid for your life?
Beyond that, you don't even need to be afraid for your life in such circumstances. Simply being harassed to a point of breaking is enough to send people on killing sprees.

If you think I'm targeting gamers in this matter, then understand it's only because I see Gamers as a sort of group culture-- One that I am a part of. I know there's a great deal of intelligent minds in the gaming genre, so I'm looking for an answer from fellow gamers. Is it wrong that I want Gamers as a whole to stand up for each other and cut out something as ugly as verbal assault? I just wanna play my games and not have to dodge verbal bitch fests mid-game. Is it unlikely that gamer-on-gamer verbal fights can't be tamed down or eliminated? Avoid the emotional trauma-- avoid the possibility it could evolve into something worse? Everyone on this forum has witnessed what I'm talking about. So why isn't a problem to you?

[Galkaeater]

Because we are all powerless on this issue and all we can do is superficial nonsense like petions and retweeting crap on twitter.

[Blubbartron]

Some facts you should consider (I'm not going to bother quoting that massive appeal to emotion you wrote):

1) The chance that a random person you encounter in games will live nearby AND that you can find out their address is roughly zero. Because of this, the chance that anything will "escalate to full blown violence" is effectively zero.

2) In every game I've ever seen, a person has ways of stopping communication with a particular person. If someone has a problem with the way they're talked to, they can fix that. No one has the right to never be offended, and being offended isn't justification for trying to bring any kind of official repercussion. If someone is "harassed to the point of killing sprees" they have a mental illness, or are too functionally retarded to ignore assholes or use in-game blacklist functions.

3) This kind of authoritarian bullshit (people don't act the way I think they should, so we will force them to do so) is scary. Think about what you're suggesting. We're not talking about drinking and driving, or laws for owning firearms. We're talking about a hobby that people do from the comfort of their own homes, and you want to invade their comfort and tell them what to do. It's a slippery slope from "games should have community-rated profiles" to "all gamers should forgo anonymity to play games" to "actions in video games should have legal consequences".

Lastly, lawl @ "emotional trauma".

[thetruepandagod]

I made ONE THREAD with a link to a subject that has been mentioned before, and it wasn't even a minute after that someone had to bitch because he/she had in their sorry long forum life, recognized some similarity between the subjects, and WHINED like they're so -very well- practiced at.

I just want to point out that this would have happened to you regardless of your gender/view/belief if your topic literally has 2 threads with identical convo's going on.

[Brill Weave]

A bunch of stuff

I will say this once to you so you don't continue your little tirade any further. Your thread was locked and reacted to harshly because we have two exact threads here in the political sub-forum. All of what you are saying and pointing out has been done so in these threads. Repeatedly. So if you want to feel like you were personally attacked or belittled maybe you should stop and realize that you were the dumbass that didn't search the forums to see if something similar was already in place.

Personally I don't give a flying fuck about this topic. Men and women should be treated equally. And that is precisely what happened when you made your thread. You got jumped. As would any person doing the same, man, woman, or child. If that means you're "done with this place" then my sincere advice is that you need to toughen the fuck up and stop acting like an ass.

[Brill Weave]

FYI doing a simple forum search for Anita Sarkeesian would have yielded this thread, the feminism thread, and the one you made in GD as the top three results.

Going even further doing a search for women in gaming would have yielded those same three threads within the top five. So again I stress, you got smacked down by multiple forum users for being stupid. Not because you're a woman. If you want to continue your fit against all us evil men that's fine. Go to town. Just make sure you're doing it for the right reason.

Someone report shit if it gets out of hand I'm going to play Inquisition.

[Mazmaz]

Not that I don't mostly agree, but maybe if the threads weren't titled something obscure like "ThinK Shitposting: The Guy’s Guide to Herpderping about Feminism", it would be easier.

[Acevalefor]

Not that I don't mostly agree, but maybe if the threads weren't titled something obscure like "ThinK Shitposting: The Guy’s Guide to Herpderping about Feminism", it would be easier.

And this is why I don't like the mods changing thread titles and sub-forum names at will.

[SephYuyX]

Maybe she wouldnt be getting death threats if she wasnt a raging cunt?

Also, internet.

[Charismatic]

Maybe she wouldnt be getting death threats if she wasnt a raging cunt?

Also, internet.

I'm not going to sit here and pretend she wouldn't get threats if she took a more measured approach. She still would have gotten them and would still get them.
I'm also not going to sit here and pretend she wouldn't have gotten the same death threats even if she were a man either though.

[Mazmaz]

So even though I posted a scientific study that proved online harassment was a women's problem, you people are still pretending like it's equal for both men and women?