GamerGate thread

[BaneTheBrawler]

The Catch-All:

Shitty posts are against the rules, even if they do not explicitly ‘break’ a rule. Don’t be a rules-lawyer. If you find yourself typing “but what rule, exactly, did I violate”, it’s this one.

also

instead of an infraction.

But whatever. Carry on, throw shit, get infracted. Don't matter to me.

[Tymon]

Can someone go find Jack Thompson somewhere and tell him that his stance is now getting huge support in the media? Because he'd probably be astonished. It is though.

Absolute fucking insanity to think that this guy was vilified for his absurd "studies" of video game violence being a cancer to society; lambasted in the gaming media, ridiculed (rightfully) by almost everyone. I even wrote a college paper on his idiocy.

Now we're getting almost all of the "A-list" gaming media sites spewing literally the same nonsense. Do they think everyone forgot? This wasn't even 10 years ago.

[NynJa]

You know what the difference is? Anita was receiving death and rape threats, and thats horrible and no one should be subjected to that.
Oh wait, wasnt Jack Thompson receiving those threats too? Hmm, that cant be it.


I'll go with white knight syndrome and damsel in distress.

[Mazmaz]

lambasted in the gaming media

but they don't have ethics remember?

[Priran]

Don't have ethics.

Finally, a confession!

[Mazmaz]

You've misunderstood. I simply don't care.

[Meresgi]

Now we're getting almost all of the "A-list" gaming media sites spewing literally the same nonsense. Do they think everyone forgot? This wasn't even 10 years ago.

It's the internet, shit is forgotten if it goes more then a week without mention.

[Priran]

You've misunderstood. I simply don't care.

You've misunderstood, I was mocking you for your shitty attempt to make some point by quoting something out of context. My only mistake was attributing that to malice.

[Mazmaz]

No sexism in the industry

Developer: Publishers didn’t want a female lead in our video game

[Penthesilea]

Just don't care. If the money says so, why not suggest the change? Also, I don't know much about the process but couldn't that have been a single take away from a slew of suggestions for the game?

[Mazmaz]

It wasn't suggestions, it was "we won't fund this game unless you make it a male lead"

[Penthesilea]

Because if it's a male lead it'll generate 75% more revenue...........

[Mazmaz]

Based on a study from 2 years ago. Also, why is Square Enix willing to fund it if that's the case? Maybe cause it's important?

Or you know, we can just perpetuate the same cycle.

[RKenshin]

Sexism? I really doubt that publishers are seeing anything other than money/target audience/sales figures... kind of is their job, you know. Or are you implying that publishers are doing it because they don't like seeing women out of the kitchen?

I don't see that as sexist anymore than I see cleaning commercials usually featuring/targetting women. "Actor: Marketers didn't want a male lead in our commercial"... Sexism in the industry! Or, maybe they're just trying to maximize their appeal to the primary target audience (and thereby, profits). Coming up next: profit-motivated company makes profit-motivated decisions at the expense of social justice.

EDIT: I got beat to it... RE: your above question, did you just use Square Enix as an example of a company that makes good business decisions? No offense, I love most of what they do (and they've come a long way), but they've made some particularly terrible ones. Maybe I'm still sour <.<

[NynJa]

sigh, I hate to dig up old shit, but really, its all Maz deserves

https://archive.today/9IxcW

Anti-GG urges other GGers to boycott a game because its made by a pro-GGer...who is a female.

aka: sexism

[hey]

No sexism in the industry

Developer: Publishers didn’t want a female lead in our video game

oh my god, it was the same devs as remember me. I played that based entirely on reading a near identical article about that, and loved it. I was going to do the same thing with this when i head about, but now this just settles it. Definitely playing it, and glad they didn't give into those other publishers.

Sexism? I really doubt that publishers are seeing anything other than money/target audience/sales figures... kind of is their job, you know. Or are you implying that publishers are doing it because they don't like seeing women out of the kitchen?

I don't see that as sexist anymore than I see cleaning commercials usually featuring/targetting women. "Actor: Marketers didn't want a male lead in our commercial"... Sexism in the industry! Or, maybe they're just trying to maximize their appeal to the primary target audience (and thereby, profits). Coming up next: profit-motivated company makes profit-motivated decisions at the expense of social justice.

EDIT: I got beat to it... RE: your above question, did you just use Square Enix as an example of a company that makes good business decisions? No offense, I love most of what they do (and they've come a long way), but they've made some particularly terrible ones. Maybe I'm still sour <.<

If they aren't interested because they don't think it'll make enough money, then that's fine for them, but suggesting they change the gender of the main character after the game has already been made is pretty crazy. At least with remember me, that would have totally ruined the game. Wouldn't be surprised if this one is similar.

[Salodin]

Based on a study from 2 years ago. Also, why is Square Enix willing to fund it if that's the case? Maybe cause it's important?

Or you know, we can just perpetuate the same cycle.

This guy is acting like a2 year old study is too old to be relied on. why do feminists continue to argue these things like demographics aren't a real thing?

[Mazmaz]

It's an action that perpetuates sexism. The intent doesn't really matter. If you're called out about your action and you continue to do it, then you're being particularly problematic. And calling them out is what some people in the industry try to do, and get shot down completely by a lot of people like the ones in this thread.

[Mazmaz]

Frankly, I don't give a flying fuck about the revenues or the profit margins if it means perpetuating oppression.

HOLY FUCK GUYS, Can you imagine the profit margins if we still used slaves in our world economy today?! Why has no one MADE THIS SUGGESTION?!

[RKenshin]

For the record, I do support the developers in making a game however they want it to be made, regardless of other factors (profits, etc). It's an art form in its own way.

But, publishers also have the right to seek specific criteria/formulas/changes for the games they invest money into.

I certainly root for the developers more in the battle between the two, but that said I don't see the decisions publishers make as anything more than what it is about - the best chances at making money.