GamerGate thread

[#686578]

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[#686578]

Thanks for verifying and trusting :^)

[Koul]

I forgot how shitty Law & Order was

What's wrong, bud? Did it not portray things goodlike or anything? You didn't find the episode hilarious?

[Kalmado]

This Brianna Wu idiot popped up on my facebook so I decided to actually read it and see what all of the hype is about. I've looked at this thread a few times and it just makes my head hurt. But after reading what I read today, and finding out L&O did a show about it, I just had to post and say W T F. I just don't want to believe this is really happening and people like Brianna Wu are real.

In short, I'm a guy and basically do not care who does what with their life and could care less if they have a dick or a vag between their legs. Whenever I see or hear anyone crying about being held back or someone out to get them because of <insert oppression> all I see is someone being a victim. I won't be reading this thread or responding, but I just wanted to say my piece.

[Tymon]

http://www.bustle.com/articles/63466...p-to-gamergate

i-it's gonna happen to me next guys! Obama please help! Didn't you see SVU??!?

[#686578]

https://archive.today/DCBzY

i-it's gonna happen to me next guys! Obama please help! Didn't you see SVU??!?

Fixed that for you

[NynJa]

See
We know that episode is bullshit, but for every Person who knows its bullshit, there are probably ten thousand who will buy in to that.

[archibaldcrane]

We must restore ethics in television shows ripped from the headlines!

[Quicklet]

I read the article. I'm empathetic to some of the things she's had to deal with, but I just can't agree with trying to shame everybody into agreeing with her position of "all the systems are set up against women and nobody is doing anything about it." She uses some incredibly broad generalizations and oversimplifies some of the issues. When you make kneejerk reactions to problems you end up with poorly written legislation like some of the revenge porn laws that apply to situations where it clearly shouldn't (for example, the napalm girl photo from Vietnam).

We're at a point where the law is so far behind technology and the majority of lawmakers and judges in position to do anything are so ill-equipped to understand the ramifications of changing tech laws that there is no quick fix to any of this, no "arrest these people for saying mean and hurtful things" that will make this go away. The line between (constitutionally protected) hate speech and threatening speech is blurry and still being tackled by the courts (which may not arrive at a satisfactory answer). Doxxing is a hard problem to tackle properly. Swatting is a hard problem to tackle properly (and is not something that affects just women). To politicize these things and polarize the very majority of people who would naturally be sympathetic to these problems is counterproductive and self-defeating.

[Celeras]

I got some shit on Facebook for saying that her proposals (specifically censoring Reddit and requesting Obama prosecute 8chan) were ridiculous. Apparently this makes me misogynist. Why didn't you assholes tell me?

All this time I thought my hatred for Tom Brady was due to a strong division rivalry. But it turns out that his UGGs sponsorship just triggered my deep seeded hatred of women.

[Darus Grey]

Doxxing is a hard problem to tackle properly.

Doxxing being a problem is a problem in and of itself. Your address, phone #, etc, are public information on purpose. The idea that doxxing is a threat is a hold over from the pre-internet days when people more or less had much more anonymity, pre Facebook, etc when people started voluntarily sharing their real identities.

There's already laws that address this, harassment laws. There's nothing threatening in and of itself in posting publicly available information, it's the harassment that follows if said person is controversial that is the crime, not the reveal of the info. Again, laws already exist for this.

I feel like an old man because I'm just barely old enough to remember that you can look up people in the phone book, the town hall, etc.

[Xajii]

Doxxing being a problem is a problem in and of itself. Your address, phone #, etc, are public information on purpose. The idea that doxxing is a threat is a hold over from the pre-internet days when people more or less had much more anonymity, pre Facebook, etc when people started voluntarily sharing their real identities.

There's already laws that address this, harassment laws. There's nothing threatening in and of itself in posting publicly available information, it's the harassment that follows if said person is controversial that is the crime, not the reveal of the info. Again, laws already exist for this.

I feel like an old man because I'm just barely old enough to remember that you can look up people in the phone book, the town hall, etc.

difference btwn ability to access info and entering a town hall where everyone is bitching about the same person and posting up their address for all to see at the height of the anger. people are scum, it's all about presentation. the fact that the harrasment that follows is a crime doesn't excuse the wrongdoing of the initial doxxing.

[NynJa]

I got some shit on Facebook for saying that her proposals (specifically censoring Reddit and requesting Obama prosecute 8chan) were ridiculous. Apparently this makes me misogynist. Why didn't you assholes tell me?

These are probably the same people who spam your wall with jezebel, buzzfeed and upworthy bullshit I bet?

[Jefe]

Who the fuck is jezebelle, a porn star?

[Darus Grey]

difference btwn ability to access info and entering a town hall where everyone is bitching about the same person and posting up their address for all to see at the height of the anger. people are scum, it's all about presentation. the fact that the harrasment that follows is a crime doesn't excuse the wrongdoing of the initial doxxing.

If information is posted with the obvious and provable intention of harassing someone, that's harassment, and the people who do the harassing are responsible for their actions.

However making it a crime to broadcast freely available public information, in and of itself, is a gigantic stretch and clearly against the first amendment.

People, as you point out, were "doxxed" before the internet. The only major difference is that we have some bizarre notion of anonymity on the internet(that doesn't even slightly exist in reality), so we view it as more serious because it violates our expectations.

[NynJa]

If you go on the internet as DariusGrey, and try to never divulge your full name or location, and someone goes through your shit and pieces things together about you, then releases that information...yeah, its kind of an invasion of privacy.

[Galkaeater]

There was also no online mob to capitlize on the doxxing.

[#686578]

See
We know that episode is bullshit, but for every Person who knows its bullshit, there are probably ten thousand who will buy in to that.

I dont think I agree. I think the moderates out there will recognize this as too ridiculous to be anywhere near factual. From what we're seeing on Facebook and Twitter normies are being redpilled left and right. Your hardcore conservatives will probably believe it though as they already have those opinions of gamers.

[#686578]

Doxxing being a problem is a problem in and of itself. Your address, phone #, etc, are public information on purpose. The idea that doxxing is a threat is a hold over from the pre-internet days when people more or less had much more anonymity, pre Facebook, etc when people started voluntarily sharing their real identities.

There's already laws that address this, harassment laws. There's nothing threatening in and of itself in posting publicly available information, it's the harassment that follows if said person is controversial that is the crime, not the reveal of the info. Again, laws already exist for this.

I feel like an old man because I'm just barely old enough to remember that you can look up people in the phone book, the town hall, etc.

Thank you for pointing this out.

There's been some discourse on what doxing really means. I'm of the mindset that it doesnt count as doxing if you use your real name. Here we use pseudonyms and I havent revealed my real name. So if you were to trace my IP via a visual basic GUI, connect my account here to my AIM account, my AIM account to another account on another forum, then eventually by connecting dots find out who I am in real life--that's doxing.

This whole making public information... even more public thing is ridiculous.

[Xajii]

Thank you for pointing this out.

There's been some discourse on what doxing really means. I'm of the mindset that it doesnt count as doxing if you use your real name. Here we use pseudonyms and I havent revealed my real name. So if you were to trace my IP via a visual basic GUI, connect my account here to my AIM account, my AIM account to another account on another forum, then eventually by connecting dots find out who I am in real life--that's doxing.

This whole making public information... even more public thing is ridiculous.

right, but if i go by my real name, say it were Brixajii Wu, on my articles, and then people publicy find out my address through those sorts of means and piecing together that kind of shit, the plaster it on discussions about how shit and terrible I am, why is that not also an invasion/crime?

to that end, it might as well be okay for everyone at my company to know my address, phone number, personal e-mail, etc because they know my name. I completely disagree with that notion