GamerGate thread

[Elcura]

And no more male bosses who manspread on the throne - legs crossed only!

My female inquisitor sits spread leg. Already making strides in the right direction I guess.

[Lucavi]

I think Zoey and Rochelle from the L4D series are the only women I can remember that actually sound like they're in PAIN when they get hurt. That's a pretty sensible rule to follow, I agree. Not everyone has a pain fetish.

[Vandalhart]

The sound thing, again I would consider artistic licence. While the Tomb Raider thing is a fair point too far, I do think it was done to be more dramatic and tense. A loud cry or scream is generally more impactful than a constant whimper and whine punctuated by the occasional pain grunt (TR makes me laugh because it does both of those). If it sounds good then use it, even if it isn't entirely realistic. The sexualisation of enemies basically says no more lust demons, succubus, harpies or anything of the kind which again...depends on the game, depends on the setting and depends on the talent of the creator to make it look good. Look at the Brood Mother from DA and the Lust Demon? Two different kind of female enemy (well, Lust Demon moreso) but one is sexualised and one isn't. One is meant to be, so it is.

I'm just going to point something out with this. Liana Kerzner specifically asked the developers about the Lara's voice recording and they had said they recorded the sounds at the same time as the motion capture. These sounds were made by a person doing the actual movements.

Now, I can't say much to the specific death scenes, but I doubt they talked to the voice actress and said "Hey, can you make it sound like you're gushing in your pants? This isn't really feeding my fetish."

[Blubbartron]

I haven't played the Lara Croft game, but I listened to some youtube clips. It doesn't sound orgasmic, it just sounds like an extremely feminine woman in pain. Do people think that chicks suddenly butch up just because they've got an arrow in them or something? Your voice doesn't drop 3 octaves when you're in pain.

[Elcura]

I'm just going to point something out with this. Liana Kerzner specifically asked the developers about the Lara's voice recording and they had said they recorded the sounds at the same time as the motion capture. These sounds were made by a person doing the actual movements.

Now, I can't say much to the specific death scenes, but I doubt they talked to the voice actress and said "Hey, can you make it sound like you're gushing in your pants? This isn't really feeding my fetish."

I personally didn't have a problem with the way Lara sounded, but I get why people think it would be sensualised (is that a word? Whatever). Basically the idea is that someone could sound like that and those situations should they sound like that? TR was kinda hit or miss in that sense but it could just be people misinterpreting a (death) cry. Either way, I generally think that develops are aware of these 8 principles, but choose to ignore them because...fun/interesting game > PC game.

[Voyage1970]

Either that or people are doing all kinds of things wrong when trying to pleasure a woman if grunts of pain are interpreted as "orgasmic".

[Lucavi]

UNGAH! I want all my women to sound like a combination of Gau and Ayla in the sack.

[Gokku]

ive got it this is the new standard audio samples from tennis.....

realistic combat sounds!

[Koul]

How does pain sound painful and not orgasmic. It's a freaking moan, it's up to interpretation. If all you hear is sex sounds, I don't think it's the producers fault, it's your fault.



but you guys are right. I'm sure in those situations I'd be as silent as a morning dove. Well, I'd actually be dead when the boat was being ripped in half but... y'know.

[Clash Perez]

....Yeah. Either I'm doing it wrong, or you guys are.

No woman I've ever been with has sounded like that.

[#686578]

TLDR the 8 steps short formed from the comments sectionhavent seen anything about this posted yet
Anita 8 step program

Please stop linking to kotaku.

https://archive.today/J1AhZ

[#686578]

TLDR the 8 steps short formed from the comments sectionhavent seen anything about this posted yet
Anita 8 step program

I actually don't disagree with all 8 of those notions.

I actually disagree with all eight of these

Avoid the Smurfette principle (don't have just one female character in an ensemble cast, let alone one whose personality is more or less "girl" or "woman.")

A) SJWs literally advocate for exactly this thing. More often than not do people on Twitter say that "literally games should have token minorities even if they're only token so that minorities can be represented in video games", Burch, Sarkeesian (ofc McIntosh), and Wu have all said this.
B) There's nothing wrong with having a "token" character. In most cases it's actually realistic. For example, blacks are approximately 13% of the US population. Having ONE black character in a group of 5 people is realistic and exemplary of proportional representation (ib4 3/5ths joke). The same case should be said for women in various occupations. Take for example the US army which the first result on Google says is 17%, having ONE woman in a group of 5 makes SENSE. (And even this number is over inflated due to women not actually being in combat roles).

"Lingerie is not armor" (Dress female characters as something other than sex objects.)

There's a difference between treating women as sex objects and sexualizing women. There's nothing wrong with sexualizing ANYONE. We're HUMAN we sexualize EVERYONE because we LIKE SEX. GASPSHOCK. This is literally only a problem in the US as the rest of the world doesnt have puritan values towards having sex, being sexy (vs the US's love of slutty), and sexualizing. We do the SAME exact thing with men. Big huge men with powerful muscles in clothes too tight are everywhere in all facets of entertainment, not just video games. Take a look at womens romance novels for an egregious example.

Have female characters of various body types

Why? I mean we do already, but why? I don't accept the line of reasoning of "bodyism", "healthism", "fatism" or whatever other bullshit people want to spew. But we do this already, source, all of the women from this photoshopped webcomic

Spoiler: show

Don't over-emphasize female characters' rear ends, not any more than you would the average male character's.

Why? Per previous point, sexualization isn't an inherently bad thing. To be fair I guess we should stop over emphasizing mens large chests, arms and back since that's usually what women are attracted to.

Include more female characters of color.

Zzzzz, refer to point 1. It's the same exact argument.

Animate female characters to move the way normal women, soldiers or athletes would move.

But they do. And again, there's nothing wrong with sexaulization.

Record female character voiceover so that pain sounds painful, not orgasmic

That's just dumb. Do you think men grunt like they're fucking you doggy style when they take damage irl? No. Everyone shouts, cries obsenities, etc. Men in video games just grunt like they're rutting with you in the sack.

Include female enemies, but don't sexualize those enemies

A) We cant. People got upset that you were hitting girls in Mortal Kombat, Blaz Blue, etc. Not that they were being sexualized (of course obviously they complain about that, just not in the same breath as the violence against women). You cannot actually damage a female in any game without taking flak from feminists.
B) Nothing wrong with sexualizing ANYONE. Is this over sexualized merely because we can see his toned masculine rippling muscle chest?

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: the answer is no, it isnt sexualized inherently because he's half naked. Sexualization can be fully clothed, partially clothed, fully nude. You can even go the opposite direction and have a fully nude character that isnt sexualized. Sexualization is the perception of viewer. All I'm seeing from these women is that they're hyper jealous cunts who need a good dicking. Do you see me getting bent out of shape with the unrealistic expectations that entertainment media is placing on men? No, you dont, because I realize that they're not actually saying all men are like this.

[#686578]

I can totally see your point about the different races thing also. I remember a story on NPR not too long ago where they were interviewing an asian actress. One of the roles she lost was becuase the white male protagonist already had an asian best friend and the producers now wanted a black female for the white female protagonist.

Blame demographics and market testing because that's just a reflection of what people want. They dont want deep meaningful characters regardless of what color someone's skin is they just want to see a someone with a different shade of skin.

[NynJa]

Have female characters of various body types

I dont remember any games where the male hero who is put into an active physical role (aka: not some sherlock holmes detective shit) doesnt look like this
http://www.ricardoaleman.com/images/before.jpg

[Kuishen]

Nobody wants to play a game/fantasy/etc. where they are fat. So unless Anita and them are planning on changing the entire way humans think about themselves they can fuck right off with that.

Games (and everything else) are marketed based on what is desirable to the eyes, in what world could they market an action game where the character you play is overweight and not have that negatively impact sales figures?

[Tymon]

Well, maybe some people do. I don't see the problem with it if the character is customisable already.

Not enough people do to warrant doing it though. It's called a business; you make a product that will sell the most copies. If you want someone to sacrifice profit margins to please you specifically then you're rather full of yourself, methinks.

I don't see a problem with compromising even with SJWs if the compromise is reasonable and no one (or relatively few people) are left salty over it.

They say don't oversexualize women in [most] games. The voices, running animations, etc.

I personally do not see nor do I expect, if such a thing actually occurred, waves of people demanding that their women, specifically, be sexualized again. No, they would probably say nothing and continue to play the games. Exceptions going to games that are specifically designed around that angle, like Bayonetta and whatnot. Bayonetta is a caricature of sexualization and should obviously be left alone.

Only the sith deal in absolutes. Adamantly refusing to acquiesce to any kind of change at all just because the evil SJW empire is talking about it is pretty shitty.


edit: though, to speak to running animations. Most of that stuff is done with motion capture now. a HUGE majority, probably well over 75% by now. Females do it for female characters, so unless some misogynist overlord is specifically telling those women "alright, so we need you to run as gravure and hypersexualized as possible for this" it's probably natural.

[Koul]

Boobs bouncing is a real thing. As do plump asses and snug dick n balls. If someone says they don't, they are lying and don't know what they're talking about. My proof are the crossfit chicks that come into my work walking fast and having their bits go all over the place or the gogo boys at the bar hopping around having their balls jiggle like jello.

[NynJa]

Boobs bouncing is a real thing.

real ones tho. is anita suggesting all women get implants??

[Teryu]

[Blubbartron]

Dude's a doucheclown, very clearly, but anybody who tries to make that about race is a double doucheclown. Yes, I read (the majority of) the article linked in the youtube video description. It's patently ridiculous to try to make that about race.