GamerGate thread

[NynJa]

Actually female gamers dont give a fuck what the frmale pixels look like, just the women who dont even play video games seem to care.

[Kuishen]

/rollseyes

Can we take a minute to agree that, while the shit featured in that video does happen, it's not even remotely exclusive to gaming culture, nor is it perpetuated by it. I'd even go so far as to say that gaming culture is not the worst offender of that kind of shit out of all the subcultures on the internet.

This is the fucking internet we're talking about here. This has nothing to do with gaming, it has everything to do with people being allowed to be anonymous and send whatever hateful shit they want into the datasphere with no repercussions. You're not going to fix that by speaking out against gaming/gamers/whatever these fucking people are doing, because that's not the cause of the problem, it's merely a symptom.

How do we fix it? That's for better minds than my own to figure out, but I would think the first step would be to implement clear legal repercussions for cyber harassment. Laws are a deterrent to people raping and murdering people, I don't see why they shouldn't also be a deterrent for hatefucking somebody over the internet.

[Astylla]

Actually female gamers dont give a fuck what the frmale pixels look like, just the women who dont even play video games seem to care.

Fucking truth right here. I know there are exceptions to this but honestly who I consider actual gamers, this has never come up in conversation. Usually we are too busy bitching about who is standing in the fire or playing the actual game.
And more boobs ftw.

[NynJa]

How do we fix it? That's for better minds than my own to figure out, but I would think the first step would be to implement clear legal repercussions for cyber harassment. Laws are a deterrent to people raping and murdering people, I don't see why they shouldn't also be a deterrent for hatefucking somebody over the internet.

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And seriously, what you're asking for is to essentially censor free speech. Best of luck to you on your ambition of taking away freedom of speech from Murica.

[Koul]

Actually female gamers dont give a fuck what the frmale pixels look like, just the women who dont even play video games seem to care.

Yeah, I know. I just like to needle at things. Hence me trying to find what the average boob size is etc now if I ever encounter some person bitching about unrealistic proportions on female video game characters or some jackass blather like that, I can spew "well, the average boob size in the US is a 34DD... JUST SO YOU KNOW" it was on the huffingtonpost so it *must* be true. I'm sure I can find something on jezebel about average boob size for the bitchers since that site is feminist gospel. amirite

[Kuishen]

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And seriously, what you're asking for is to essentially censor free speech. Best of luck to you on your ambition of taking away freedom of speech from Murica.

Free speech does not cover specific threats against your person. Regardless, that's just my opinion on what could be done to fix the issue.

The only way this is going to be fixed is by doing /something/ to the laws regarding harassment on the internet. Attacking gamers or claiming they're perpetuating it certainly isn't going to result in anything.

[NynJa]

The difference is if I go on twitter saying "IM GOING TO KILL YOU", there is a marginal chance that it means anything. When I'm in your face screaming "IM GOING TO KILL YOU" with a weapon in my hand, theres a good chance it will mean something.

If you start by trying to draw legal practices against tweets, whats next? Is [cL]KingPwner is going to get a case opened against him because he said "fuck you I'm gonna kill you" in CoD?


btw, regarding that average breast size. I googled, literally "average breast size", and these are the results I got, in order
first site: 36C (UK 36D)
second site: D
third site: 34DD
fourth site: 36C
fifth site (lolhuffpost); 34DD
sixth site: 34E

All of the ones claiming 34DD/E all cited the same source though, lingerie retailer Intimacy. And like I said earlier, if the "average" is 34DD, and alot of women I know are most definitely not packing 34DD's, then for the average to be 34DD there will have to be a lot of women out there packing F and G cups, which I find very hard to believe.

[Kuishen]

The difference is if I go on twitter saying "IM GOING TO KILL YOU", there is a marginal chance that it means anything. When I'm in your face screaming "IM GOING TO KILL YOU" with a weapon in my hand, theres a good chance it will mean something.

If you start by trying to draw legal practices against tweets, whats next? Is [cL]KingPwner is going to get a case opened against him because he said "fuck you I'm gonna kill you" in CoD?

/shrug My point is the cause of the problem is the anonymity of the internet, not anything to do with games/gaming or a problem within that specific industry. How do you begin to fix that big of a problem? You have to start somewhere. The whole thing is/will be a slippery slope but considering the nature of the internet, I'd say that's a given.

[Blubbartron]

/shrug My point is the cause of the problem is the anonymity of the internet, not anything to do with games/gaming or a problem within that specific industry. How do you begin to fix that big of a problem? You have to start somewhere. The whole thing is/will be a slippery slope but considering the nature of the internet, I'd say that's a given.

Serious question - why is the problem with internet anonymity?

It seems to me the people causing a commotion are a new thing when shitty behavior on the internet has, by and large, not changed. I think the problem lies in the most recent generation being taught that everyone is the same, and that no one should ever have their precious feelings hurt. That's the new thing in the equation. It's the same reason why we have all these increasingly preposterous anti-bullying and anti-harassment ads. This feelings campaign has diluted honestly terrible things like bullying, harassment, and even rape into such broad, ridiculous definitions that they can only be laughed at. It makes attempting to resolve actual problems harder, not easier.

[Ragnus]

Actually female gamers dont give a fuck what the frmale pixels look like, just the women who dont even play video games seem to care.

I wouldn't say that. My wife is an avid gamer, not the general stereo type of "I play CoD. I'm such a gamer... *licks controller*", and is also pretty vocal about the portrayal of women in video games.

As far as the womens' breast size issue on this page, DD or just somewhere in the D range sounds pretty accurate to me. With a combination of the 4-5% of women who have undergone breast augmentation(no, I don't know if that includes women who have undergone breast reconstruction), and the general levels of obesity in the US it could lead to those higher cup sizes.

[Kuishen]

Serious question - why is the problem with internet anonymity?

It seems to me the people causing a commotion are a new thing when shitty behavior on the internet has, by and large, not changed. I think the problem lies in the most recent generation being taught that everyone is the same, and that no one should ever have their precious feelings hurt. That's the new thing in the equation. It's the same reason why we have all these increasingly preposterous anti-bullying and anti-harassment ads. This feelings campaign has diluted honestly terrible things like bullying, harassment, and even rape into such broad, ridiculous definitions that they can only be laughed at. It makes attempting to resolve actual problems harder, not easier.

I don't disagree with that, but if you put these people in a position where their peers, family and friends can see how hateful they're being to somebody over what amounts to a difference in opinion or whatever their issue with a person is, I'm sure the majority of people wouldn't dare run their mouth off. Or even if you put them in a position where they were to say this type of thing to a person's face, they would shy away from it. You'd still have the nihilists who really don't give a fuck what anybody thinks of them but I refuse to believe that all the people running their mouths off on the internet fall into that category.

They'd still think it, sure, but they wouldn't be able to shove that shit onto somebody else who doesn't want it.

Even petulant teenagers still care what their family/friends think of them to a degree. Internet anonymity takes that factor completely out of the picture.

[thetruepandagod]

If you can't handle anonymous 12 yr olds telling you to kill yourself then you probably shouldn't be allowed to use the internet. The only censorship I would approve of is mandatory butthurt tests that forbid internet use if you show uncontrollable agitation or depression over baseless unenforceable insults.

If anything being on the internet is a crash course in the fact that you have to deal with irrational people and stay rational in all aspects of life.

They'd still think it

No they wouldn't, they are just throwing adjectives together for reactions.

A lot of these people aren't thinking these things, they are only saying baseless things to get a reaction not due to any intrinsic belief that the other person should kill himself or that their insults are in anyway true.

I have been called a no life fat ass nigger virgin and told to hang from a tree among other things damn near every day in ff. And well... im not fat and im not black not a virgin and no one has hung me from a tree. And when I was told these things i took it for what it genuinely was which was just angry people trying to make me angry like them and it never worked. A lot of these people are just venting and you are just something that caught their ire at that specific point.

but they wouldn't be able to shove that shit onto somebody else who doesn't want it.

People need to learn that the rest of the world is not a totally safe space and never will be, and I am not talking about the physical, violent sense, but in the emotional sense. People need to learn how to maintain their own happiness separate from others.

[Charismatic]

I have been called a no life fat ass nigger virgin and told to hang from a tree among other things damn near every day in ff.

Sounds like someone's got some stooories.

[thetruepandagod]

We also had rival ls show up to a members house in a pick up truck with shotguns.

Spoiler: show

Over a hydra claim.

We also had police involved over distribution of cp because underage members tits got posted on ffxiah

If you ain't got stories from ff u doin it way wrong.

[NynJa]

The whole thing is/will be a slippery slope but considering the nature of the internet, I'd say that's a given.

I've bolded the very reason why it should never be allowed to pass, one that you are clearly full aware of what will happen. If you start pursuing what people perceive as legitimate threats, then the very notion allows [cL]KingPwner to be legally liable for saying "I will kill you" in CoD.

@JoeBlow tweeting "I will skullfuck you" on its own is not a legitimate threat, because JoeBlow could live in another country. Now, if @JoeBlow starts tweeting pictures that they have taken of you in your house saying "I know your daily schedule, watch your back", then yes, that is a lot more of a legitimate threat.

[Kuishen]

If you can't handle anonymous 12 yr olds telling you to kill yourself then you probably shouldn't be allowed to use the internet. The only censorship I would approve of is mandatory butthurt tests that forbid internet use if you show uncontrollable agitation or depression over baseless unenforceable insults.

If anything being on the internet is a crash course in the fact that you have to deal with irrational people and stay rational in all aspects of life.



No they wouldn't, they are just throwing adjectives together for reactions.

A lot of these people aren't thinking these things, they are only saying baseless things to get a reaction not due to any intrinsic belief that the other person should kill himself or that their insults are in anyway true.

I have been called a no life fat ass nigger virgin and told to hang from a tree among other things damn near every day in ff. And well... im not fat and im not black not a virgin and no one has hung me from a tree. And when I was told these things i took it for what it genuinely was which was just angry people trying to make me angry like them and it never worked. A lot of these people are just venting and you are just something that caught their ire at that specific point.



People need to learn that the rest of the world is not a totally safe space and never will be, and I am not talking about the physical, violent sense, but in the emotional sense. People need to learn how to maintain their own happiness separate from others.

Oh I totally agree with everything you said, but if they're going to insist on trying to fix the "problem" then they actually need to go to the source and not pussyfoot around with stupid shit like "Misogyny in games is ruining the world." Or acting like gaming is perpetuating internet harassment or whatever else people are going on about today.

@Nynja: Well of course, I wasn't talking about simple shit like "I'm gonna kill you." I was thinking more along the lines of repeated specific threats over a long period of time, haters gonna hate and all that, but when you start getting repeated rape/death threats from the same person that continually get more and more graphic, do you not think that is an issue that should be dealt with in some manner?

It's along the same lines as stalking; TECHNICALLY, sending you creepy texts and love letters and following you around all day isn't illegal and the police can't do anything. Eventually that could escalate into something more though and by that point it could be too late.

[tyven]

HOPE SOMEONE HAD MONEY ON A BGer CAUSING BRIANNA WU TO CANCEL HER PAX EAST APPEARANCE LOL

[NynJa]

This sounds like insider knowledge

[tyven]

poor Ragnell took a pic of Wu and posted it on twitter and then RT'd some terrible jokes and it spun out of control and she cancelled her appearance and the internet hates him and if someone had to take bets about who would cause something like this to happen all of my money would have been on Raggy.

[Blubbartron]

And nothing of value was lost.