GamerGate thread

[Karbuncle]

I don't think this is entirely true. Characters of varied type and background make for a more vivid and compelling story, and story immersion is a big part of why I enjoy a lot of games. Storytelling and gameplay are both important aspects in any game, at least for me. I doubt I'm in the minority.

Characters with varied backgrounds is fine, and it does make for a more compelling story. Shoe horning in a Quadrosexual hydrodyke with spunky hair and man-with-boobs physique to appease people who don't want your product anyway and still won't buy it because of the other "beautiful" women int he game offers nothing compelling at all to the story. Diversity for the sake of diversity is insulting. Its a fucking minority quota and I'm still baffled why its being praised.

I'm okay with diversity, I'm okay with varied ethnicity represented, so forth, as long as thats the developers choice without pressure. What is happening here is not the developers putting them in because it fits their game or they think it would improve their game, but because they're being pressured by SJW's and feminists. They even mentioned ( I believe) this was a result of all this body type criticism of the game. I'd actually be okay with this character if it was added because they thought it would improve the game in a meaningful way... but its not... its there to try and BS some SJW's into thinking Blizzard cares about them.

So, In case thats not clear as I tend to rant. Variety by choice yes. Variety by bullying no.

Above all else i am for the creative freedom of developers.

[Kuya]

The SJWs got 1 female character out of 6.

Get over it.

[Karbuncle]

The SJWs got 1 female character out of 6.

Get over it.

Don't just run away with your tail between your legs and your fingers in your ears when presented any real conflict of ideals. I'd prefer you actually continue the discussion. Why do you find Blizzard half-heartidly filling a PR quota of "diversity" a win? Do you not feel like it would be better if they actually added her because they wanted too?

I'm trying to understand why this obvious PR stunt that has no sincerity to her character is a positive. Do SJWs just want creative freedom to be killed off in lieu of a Minority/Build Quota for developers? Is it a victory if you don't change anyones minds in the process, and are only getting your way because someone feels forced too? I thought the goal was to enlighten people on ideals, not forcing them to appease to those ideals?

[NynJa]

The SJWs got 1 female character out of 6.

Get over it.

If SJW's would actually play the game, I'd be more likely to get over it (protip: my jimmies are not rustled in the slightest), but they're not.

[Kuya]

If SJW's would actually play the game, I'd get over it, but they're not.

I don't consider myself a SJW, but i'm cool with the new character and I intend to play the game.

So, again, perspective.

The SJWs got 1 female character out of 6. I think you guys will live.

I think there's plenty of room for female characters with enormous tits and bikini armor and butch female tanks. But i believe in co-existence so maybe that's just me.

[NynJa]

i believe in co-existence

I'm sorry, I must have missed the memo where these pixelated characters in a fantasy world are actually part of the real world. Did anyone else get that memo?

The SJWs got 1 female character out of 6.

People who dont even play fucking video games are bitching about what character models in video games look like, and are actually lobbying for, and successfully, getting a pointless change. You dont see how this is a problem? The quality of video games is dropping pretty fucking hard (duh, we know this, thats one of the reasons GamerGate took flight, because of bullshit reviews), and instead of expanding resources to actually make BETTER fucking video games, dev's are instead going to expend resources to appease SJW's who need "a more realistic diverse set of character models, who still wont even play their fucking game.

[Gokku]

I don't consider myself a SJW, but i'm cool with the new character and I intend to play the game.

So, again, perspective.

The SJWs got 1 female character out of 6. I think you guys will live.

I think there's plenty of room for female characters with enormous tits and bikini armor and butch female tanks. But i believe in co-existence so maybe that's just me.

you seem to be blind to the point that, it wasn't done for it to make the game BETTER it was done to appease a group of people that will not support the game regardless.

I mean its not like

Isn't
A. Brown
B. Female
C. COVERED IN FULL ARMOUR
why does any of that matter? it doesn't ... her ability's look fun as hell though... THAT matters.

[Kuya]

I'm sorry, I must have missed the memo where these pixelated characters in a fantasy world are actually part of the real world. Did anyone else get that memo?

I'll just assume you misunderstood my statement.

By coexistence, I mean people who want their big titty bitches can have their big titty bitches, and people who want butch russian tank characters can have them too. There's no real or physical limitation for why gaming media can't do both.

Sure, some sexists will hate seeing females who aren't walking sex dolls. Sure, some SJWs will hate seeing females with barely there clothing and basketball sized tits, but you can't please everybody.

It doesn't have to be either or. You can have both sexy female characters and butch, ugly, fat or whatever female characters in the same game. No need to blow a gasket over it.

[chazzyphizzle]

no such thing as reasonable discourse in an internet argument, it's just a bunch of people yelling GOTCHA!!!11one

[Kuya]

you seem to be blind to the point that, it wasn't done for it to make the game BETTER it was done to appease a group of people that will not support the game regardless.

I mean its not like

Isn't
A. Brown
B. Female
C. COVERED IN FULL ARMOUR
why does any of that matter? it doesn't ... her ability's look fun as hell though... THAT matters.

It doesn't matter whether you think adding that russian character to the game isn't going to make the game better or that it was added to appease SJWs.

It doesn't affect you.

The real question is

[Lyall]

Near misses, people. Kuya, people are upset because the character only exists because people who don't play shooters complained about the lack of diversity. It's not about the character, it's about Bliz intentionally going LOOK HOW PROGRESSIVE WE ARE, SORRY THE BLACK GIRL, THE ARMOR AND THE ETHNIC MAKE-UP WASN'T ENOUGH, PLEASE STOP EMAILING US

[Kuya]

Near misses, people. Kuya, people are upset because the character only exists because people who don't play shooters complained about the lack of diversity. It's not about the character, it's about Bliz intentionally going LOOK HOW PROGRESSIVE WE ARE, SORRY THE BLACK GIRL, THE ARMOR AND THE ETHNIC MAKE-UP WASN'T ENOUGH, PLEASE STOP EMAILING US

I'm fine with that. The new russian character doesn't seem to ruin the game in any way, so i don't mind if SJWs get what they want if it doesn't affect me in any tangible way.

I think we all need to relax.

[NynJa]

I'm fine with that. The new russian character doesn't seem to ruin the game in any way, so i don't mind if SJWs get what they want if it doesn't affect me in any tangible way.

I think we all need to relax.

Except you see, resources are not infinite, especially when there are deadlines to meet. Instead of trying to track down bugs, or find ways to make the game better, these resources are now being spent to conjure up a potential story for her existence, her own unique moveset, model animation, dialog, etc etc. The fact this character was a late addition means they had to pull resources from something else to create her.

[chazzyphizzle]

lol come the fuck on

[Kuya]

Except you see, resources are not infinite, especially when there are deadlines to meet. Instead of trying to track down bugs, or find ways to make the game better, these resources are now being spent to conjure up a potential story for her existence, her own unique moveset, model animation, dialog, etc etc. The fact this character was a late addition means they had to pull resources from something else to create her.

Honestly, i think SJWs do enough stupid things we can use against them without having us reach this far just to argue that creating this russian butch character has somehow harmed the game in some theoretical way we have yet to empirically determine.

I suggest we find something more worthwile to complain about instead of SJWs getting theirs and us getting salty about it.

[Lyall]

I'm wondering if Bliz simply retooled an existing character idea to be that. It's unlikely they managed to throw something together. I don't care how it came to happen, but I do worry for the precedent it might set. I do believe in voting with your wallet, but it makes me leery to see such a big company conform to social media opinion on something like this.

I'm likely not going to play it, so it doesn't effect me either... Unless another company decides cowing to the vocal non-customers is the right way to go. That sounds awful red scare and tinfoil of me, though.

[Kuya]

I'm wondering if Bliz simply retooled an existing character idea to be that. It's unlikely they managed to throw something together. I don't care how it came to happen, but I do worry for the precedent it might set. I do believe in voting with your wallet, but it makes me leery to see such a big company conform to social media opinion on something like this.

I'm likely not going to play it, so it doesn't effect me either... Unless another company decides cowing to the vocal non-customers is the right way to go. That sounds awful red scare and tinfoil of me, though.

There are times this is going to be a problem. It's already happening in other subjects with other groups. Take for example the Food Babe's attempts at getting food companies to dump GMO products.

It's not out of the realm of possibility to see SJWs try to scare a gaming company in covering up all their women. I just think it doesn't help to slippery slope fallacy it up right away. We should wait for it to actually happen and have countermeasures set up to fight it.

One thing that works is not underestimating the influence an angry mob of people can have on a company. That's why if ever SJWs decide to bombard a gaming company to get them to cover up all their women, for example, we can respond to that by bombarding the same company with messages supporting their sexy sexy characters. The least that could happen in such a situation, would be a compromise between having some sexy busty women and other female characters who are covered up.

[Gokku]

so to get this correct you have no issue with resources being diverted from a game you play or plan to play because someone who doesn't plan to play the game complained about something that in no way other then making them happy wasn't done?

[NynJa]

lol come the fuck on

So deadlines and budgets dont exist now, okay, come the fuck on yourself buddy.

[Kuya]

so to get this correct you have no issue with resources being diverted from a game you play or plan to play because someone who doesn't plan to play the game complained about something that in no way other then making them happy wasn't done?

Yea.

You see, i'm not one for histrionics.

So i can be patient.