GamerGate thread

[Lyall]

There are times this is going to be a problem. It's already happening in other subjects with other groups. Take for example the Food Babe's attempts at getting food companies to dump GMO products.

It's not out of the realm of possibility to see SJWs try to scare a gaming company in covering up all their women. I just think it doesn't help to slippery slope fallacy it up right away. We should wait for it to actually happen and have countermeasures set up to fight it.

One thing that works is not underestimating the influence an angry mob of people can have on a company. That's why if ever SJWs decide to bombard a gaming company to get them to cover up all their women, for example, we can respond to that by bombarding the same company with messages supporting their sexy sexy characters. The least that could happen in such a situation, would be a compromise between having some sexy busty women and other female characters who are covered up.

That's fair, but I believe that "gamers" in general have already felt the sting of that sort of benefit of the doubt: We ARE posting in the Gamergate thread, the one that was arguably founded on the fact that, once people started questioning blogger and game dev relationships, said bloggers and their allies immediately declared gaming dead and anyone remotely interested in Gamergate was a pissbaby misogynerd basement dwelling virgin racist MRA.

These same people have now effected the development process of a video game from a well-respected developer. That's scary.

[NynJa]

These same people have now effected the development process of a video game from a well-respected developer. That's scary.

For a couple years it might be, but money speaks louder than any SJW can. When the "dead gamers" stop buying these shitty SJW infused games and the publishers arent getting any money, we all know most SJW's dont play games to begin with, they'll go back to making games their way.

Or, and this is a real apocalyptic scenario, the SJW's convince them that gaming really is dead and they all simply close up shop.

[Karbuncle]

I wouldn't mind a few of the current "Triple A" gaming companies going bankrupt TBH. I'll have some Indie stuff to hold me over until the good companies rise up from the ashes.

[Lyall]

For a couple years it might be, but money speaks louder than any SJW can. When the "dead gamers" stop buying these shitty SJW infused games and the publishers arent getting any money, we all know most SJW's dont play games to begin with, they'll go back to making games their way.

Or, and this is a real apocalyptic scenario, the SJW's convince them that gaming really is dead and they all simply close up shop.

Were I trying to push my agenda and this happened, I'd argue that gamers are so full of themselves that they're trying to stifle progressive society by trying to bankrupt the companies on the right side of history, but that is me being completely fatalistic.

[Karbuncle]

That is truly subjective one what people deem progressive. I don't find creative restrictions and diversity quota "progressive", if anything, its regressive. But as I mentioned in my earlier argument. I'm not against diversity, so long as it was their original vision, and not just added because of pressure from the SJW community.

In the same light if I found out Blizzard always had intent to add her and it wasn't influenced by SJW at all but by their creative vision feeling it would add to the feel of the game, I'd be cool with it. I'm only against pressuring bullshit tactics to shoehorn a quota of body types, not the actual diversity of gaming.

Though frankly, as one study title suggest, I dont give a shit who I'm playing as most of the time. When I picked peach in SMB2, It wasn't to feel sexual linked to her hot pixels, it was because she could float and I sucked at platforming.

Edit:

Also, sorry for the double, I mention a lot about "Shoehorning" something in for publicity and quotas and on the other side, actually adding a diverse character because it adds to the game.

I'm not without providing examples... Meet Ellie: http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/Ellie

Shes a character in Borderlands 2, she's the size of a small vehicle and shes as redneck and crazy as they come, and I fucking love her character. You know why? Because she's thought out and adds to the game. She was a creative choice that paid off and she doesn't once feel like she was shoehorned in as a publicity stunt. Ellie is a positive example of diverse body types. Butch isn't.

[Karbuncle]

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[Demosthenes]

Final post on the PAX thing (hopefully), the shit is done. All the loose ends are tied. I've advised him not to talk about it again with anyone, anywhere (that includes here). Sucks that it happened but it's done. We feel like the only time anyone ever brings it up, will be in reference to PA guys or PAX or the GG/Anti-GG brigade. Ultimately it will is small potatoes next to all the shit PA themselves have done. Wu is happy with how it was dealt with, PAX is sad that it happened and he feels the same. I'd recommend that you guys don't go pushing him for info, but that is just a recommendation on my part based on my opinions. We all agree that the less people know, the more likely he is to stay a single blip on the radar.

[Jefe]

Spoiler: show

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Spoiler: show

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[Xantavia]

Any big online games out there that have body sliders for character creation? Would love to see the data from them as to what body types are the most popular. Always loved the freedom in some of the older WWE games to make whatever you wanted. Sure, I'd make the stereotype big-titty female, but it would only last for a match or two until I changed them to something more proportional to the rest of their body.

[Talint]

Like, are you people seriously arguing No True Scotsman? Do you need to be shown "SJWs" who play video games?

[NynJa]

Like, are you people seriously arguing No True Scotsman? Do you need to be shown "SJWs" who play video games?

Well considering that there is a video of Anita flat out saying "I dont play video games" and she's the one spearheading this entire movement...yeah, it seems pretty safe to say that a good chunk of these SJW's who want "real world equality" in video games dont even play video games. And for the basis of what is considered a "video game", candy crush nor farmville are considered "video games".

[Vandalhart]

I've seen a video of Anita giving a presentaton about "What I couldn't say" and all it did as I was watching it was make me kind of sad for her. Even if there are things that aren't 100% true in it, it still makes me a little sad.

[Ksandra]

Im not sure what your point is? Doesnt every character model in tf2 have their own unique stats and skills?

Since we only know so much about overwatch outside of it being basically a tf2 clone, I am basing this on the way tf2 is played. You don't just pick one character to play, and can change them during a battle (when inside the respawn room). You could be changing characters constantly in a single match. Think of like how in Halo you pick up different guns to do different things, except this time it is the character itself.


Unlike some games where you feel the character is an extension of you and something you build up, these are just tools you use to win the game.

Outside of all that, I bet two Doritos that she is going to be similar to the Heavy which was probably the most straight forward class in tf2. She will get used often.

[Clash Perez]

How do you guys think Overwatch characters are being developed? That they had finalized all characters prior to this, and now suddenly had to drop everything and slam an extra one in there?

My understanding of it is that the development process is ongoing, and that more characters are being developed much in the same way that they are for Heroes of the Storm, and that they will continue to be developed in the future. This would lend itself to a potential tweak here and there depending on customer feedback. They've got open forums asking their player base what they'd like to see in the game, after all.

Also, I've seen a lot of people mention that there was some admission that they put her in after "SJW" pressure - can you cite your sources? I haven't seen this claim anywhere else, though I haven't gone out of my way to scour the internet for the trail.

[NynJa]

My understanding of it is that the development process is ongoing, and that more characters are being developed much in the same way that they are for Heroes of the Storm, and that they will continue to be developed in the future. This would lend itself to a potential tweak here and there depending on customer feedback. They've got open forums asking their player base what they'd like to see in the game, after all.

So you dont think its at all any kind of a coincidence that after showing the initial 12 characters that SJW's said were "oversexualized" and other bullshit like that, Blizzard unveils two new characters: A butch russian female and a Billy the Kidd wannabe*. While I'm not going to say that Blizzard was set with those 12 characters, they probably were going to add more before its release, and possibly more after in patches (or DLC), you dont think this is at all a fucking coincidence?

Speaking of that billy the kidd wannabe:

Armed with his Peacekeeper revolver, the outlaw Jesse McCree doles out justice on his own terms.

McCree had already made a name for himself as a member of the notorious Deadlock Gang, which trafficked in illicit weapons and military hardware throughout the American Southwest, when he and his associates were busted in an Overwatch sting operation. With his expert marksmanship and resourcefulness, he was given the choice between rotting in a maximum-security lockup and joining Blackwatch, Overwatch's covert ops division. He chose the latter.

Although he was initially cynical, he came to believe that he could make amends for his past sins by righting the injustices of the world. McCree appreciated the flexibility afforded to the clandestine Blackwatch, unhindered by bureaucracy and red tape. But as Overwatch's influence waned, rogue elements within Blackwatch sought to bring down the organization and turn it to their own ends. Wanting no part of the infighting, McCree set off alone and went underground.

He resurfaced several years later as a gunslinger for hire. But while McCree's talents are sought after by parties great and small, he fights only for causes he believes are just.

chock full of references to SJW's in there lol.


okok, its not full, but there are definately a couple "fuck you SJW's" lines in there.

[Jefe]

Please God, don't let this cesspool of super sayans (w/e) fuck w/ anything Street Fighter-related. Let's be real here, that's the only game it matters. Come at me, bruhs.

No, but seriously, pretty fucked up. 'First they came for them, then the other dudes, then us." W/e.

[archibaldcrane]

This conversation, as usual, is hilarious.

[Ksandra]

For all of the complaints of "sjw not playing these games" I have a strong suspicion many posters in this convo never played this particular style of game regularly.

[Koul]

Because...?

just got back from work, sorry for late reponse.

People are saying they should boycott the character. I'm saying that's stupid and instead they should camp whoever play her to really piss people off since it will cause a bigger splash.

and I think the best character creation system was in PSO. Complete and absolute body sliders and everything. Was great. I loved making some stubby short crazy fatso running around with some hugeass sword.

[Talint]

Well considering that there is a video of Anita flat out saying "I dont play video games" and she's the one spearheading this entire movement...yeah, it seems pretty safe to say that a good chunk of these SJW's who want "real world equality" in video games dont even play video games. And for the basis of what is considered a "video game", candy crush nor farmville are considered "video games".

So here's the thing about Western game development: Metrics are so important.

I played Overwatch at Blizzcon this year. Kind of fun, not anything revolutionary, nice to see a new Blizzard IP in two decades or whatever. Every one who played though they made you fill out a survey about what you did like/didn't like/etc. I would not be surprised if in more than one of those surveys a few people said, "Characters looked/were kind of boring."

Maybe they're not "SJWs". And it's entirely possible that I'm inferring more than I know (though I'm not). But wouldn't the acknowledgment of those filling out surveys at Blizzcon (we consider THOSE people "gamers", yes?) be a sign that maybe, just maybe, the characters should be more interesting to pick?

Nothing is implemented without the metrics to back it up (not any company worth a damn anyway). It's the best business practice. It's what made Zynga games all-the-rage in 2009, and why the AppStore and mobile gaming is a thing now. It's why all these games are forced online now; the publishers want to know what you're doing and who you're playing with. Caving into "SJW pressure" as it's being put is only done when it's the best business practice to do so.

But, hey, congrats on finding the one critic who might be a charlatan. I can lead you to other, better "SJWs" who have written poignant stuff about video games and race, and sexuality, and even gender identity that aren't as comical; all of whom I would give the "gamer" label.

The No True Scotsman argument is bad. Stop making it.