GamerGate thread

[Teryu]

Harry potter should have been a woman then. Rowling is a woman, she knows nothing about being a boy or their experiences and never will, no matter how many male friends she claims to have.

Show me one good gay/lesbian/trans character that's written by a straight person.

[Enkidu]

I think LGBT is probably over represented in the media at large compared to the actual population. Exemplified by America's perception that there are far more LGBT individuals then there actually are. Not that this is inherently bad, I mean lots of things are over represented in the media, just that complaining about a lack of LGBT in any specific movie just seems nit-picky. I mean isn't maze runner a kids show? Why would it need to be explicitly sexual in any context?

The goal should be to more accurately portray LGBT, not just pack more in movies/shows.

[Kuya]

Why the fuck would you ever want straight people to add LGBT people to their stories, 'just because'? Like when JKR decided that Dumbledore was gay for no reason other than to say "OH MAN LOOK HOW OPEN MINDED I AM, BUY MORE SHIT". Straight people putting an emphasis on character's sexuality doesn't add to the story, except that they make their entire character revolve around that aspect of them, and that alone. There was an article I saw recently about some game "Dragon-whatever" that was all about how one of the main characters was gay...ok so what? What does he do other than like other dudes? The entire article was just about that. I hadn't even heard of the game up til that point, but for some reason everyone freaks their shit in a good/bad way just because of their sexuality. What about the rest of the game? What kind of game is it? Are there going to be dragons in it?

tl;dr: Straight people shouldn't write LGBT characters because they know nothing about them or their experiences and never will, no matter how many LGBT friends they claim to have.

That argument is very annoying. When someone advocates for more well written LGBT characters, they aren't advocating for stereotypes and plopping a gay character awkwardly into a story. This argument is very senseless because it pretends there aren't examples of movies and games where LGBT characters are done right. It's also a canard to say you're putting emphasis on a character's sexuality or you're revolving a story around a character's homosexuality. In a story you don't even have to say a character is gay. There's plenty of creative ways to portray diversity in human sexuality without having to be so verbal about it. Paranorman is one example.

People who insist that including more LGBT characters will be about making a character all about their sexuality are merely showing their own lack of imagination. When we have straight characters in media, nobody says that we're making those characters all about their heterosexuality. When heterosexuality is not assumed, it is shown. Heterosexuality is just part of what constitutes a straight character, and similarly in a well written gay character, their homosexuality is just one aspect of their personality.

[Lucavi]

^ I've always tried to say that: Homosexuality is part of a character. Its not a character. Its not the character.

[Kuya]

I think LGBT is probably over represented in the media at large compared to the actual population. Exemplified by America's perception that there are far more LGBT individuals then there actually are. Not that this is inherently bad, I mean lots of things are over represented in the media, just that complaining about a lack of LGBT in any specific movie just seems nit-picky. I mean isn't maze runner a kids show? Why would it need to be explicitly sexual in any context?

The goal should be to more accurately portray LGBT, not just pack more in movies/shows.

Since when is representation in media proportional to population demographics? You're obviously not advocating that since LGBT people are, just to put an example, 1% of the population, that only 1% of media should have LGBT characters, so I don't know why you would even say such a stupid thing.

Maze Runner, the one we've been talking about is a movie, not a kid's show. Furthermore, LGBT isn't synonymous with hardcore porn. That's why, earlier, I mentioned romance as well. If you want to equate any signs of same sex affection as being explicitly sexual, then you have a personal problem.

[Kibble]

Spoiler: show

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[Teryu]

That argument is very annoying. When someone advocates for more well written LGBT characters, they aren't advocating for stereotypes and plopping a gay character awkwardly into a story. This argument is very senseless because it pretends there aren't examples of movies and games where LGBT characters are done right. It's also a canard to say you're putting emphasis on a character's sexuality or you're revolving a story around a character's homosexuality. In a story you don't even have to say a character is gay. There's plenty of creative ways to portray diversity in human sexuality without having to be so verbal about it. Paranorman is one example.

People who insist that including more LGBT characters will be about making a character all about their sexuality are merely showing their own lack of imagination. When we have straight characters in media, nobody says that we're making those characters all about their heterosexuality. When heterosexuality is not assumed, it is shown. Heterosexuality is just part of what constitutes a straight character, and similarly in a well written gay character, their homosexuality is just one aspect of their personality.

Still waiting an example, also Paranorman was co-written by a gay guy soooo.

[Cantih]

Various characters in the Valdemar series by Mercedes Lackey?

[Kuya]

Still waiting an example, also Paranorman was co-written by a gay guy soooo.

My reply to you wasn't in regards to the stupid thing you said about straight people not being able to write gay characters, it was about the other stupid thing you said.

[Teryu]

You seem to be implying that your argument isn't just as stupid, since it's still demanding that creators shove LGBT characters in stories for no reason because of your feelings.

Various characters in the Valdemar series by Mercedes Lackey?

Uh, I don't know anything about those, but apparently a lot of the cast is LGBT which is interesting and could be good.

[Jefe]

A kuya thread about the gays?

[Isiolia]

Show me one good gay/lesbian/trans character that's written by a straight person.

Bill from the Last of Us? (#5 on this list).

[Teryu]

Bill from the Last of Us? (#5 on this list).

Okay, he's apparently pretty good character. But he's written in a time where sexuality means nothing, so it's kind of pointless.

[tyven]

Okay, he's apparently pretty good character. But he's written in a time where sexuality means nothing, so it's kind of pointless.

Man you should not have edited your post

[quannum]

i believe kuya is saying that being gay shouldn't be the point of a character.

[Priran]

uh no. He is subscribing to the theory that people used to THINK of gamers as 40 year old neckbeard virigins who weigh 300 pounds living in their grandmothers basement.

Do you disagree this was a stereotype of gamers?

He is saying that stereotype is going away.

That's got fuck to do with all. That's not what the article is about, and that's not what Leigh Alexander is about. It's a willful misrepresentation. Watch a talk of hers, her whole thing is that video games are important as a medium but that the culture around them and everyone who plays them needs to fuck off so she can use the medium to push agendas that matter to her.

[Ksandra]

Okay, he's apparently pretty good character. But he's written in a time where sexuality means nothing, so it's kind of pointless.

You are fucking going to keep moving the goal posts whenever someone says anything to try and prove a stupid point amirite?

Here you go, the best gay on the planet:

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001...er_xlarge.jpeg

My goal posts are if you disagree you deserve to be shot in the dick.


Not every LGBTQ character has to be a main one with emotional scars in order for them to be in it. Fuck just having descriptions of two men holding hands at a cafe is more than what most authors do.

I mean we have got Nico from Percy Jackson

Renly from GoT

Armand (mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm armand) from Anne Rice's vampire series


fuck the brokeback mountain book was written by a straight woman.

And before you go all "well that's not a lot"

Well of fucking course it isn't a lot. NOT because straight authors can't write gays, but because they DON'T write gays. The list is so small to choose from to look at.

You know how you fix that? Have them fucking write gays.

[Teryu]

Yeah, but in the same breath, saying that he wants gay characters there because they are gay.

[Penthesilea]

i believe kuya is saying that being gay shouldn't be the point of a character.

So then how do we know some of the supposed straight characters aren't gay?

[Ksandra]

That's got fuck to do with all. That's not what the article is about, and that's not what Leigh Alexander is about. It's a willful misrepresentation. Watch a talk of hers, her whole thing is that video games are important as a medium but that the culture around them and everyone who plays them needs to fuck off so she can use the medium to push agendas that matter to her.

I am not sure why that is relevant.

I think that his take on gamers "dying" is interesting. That is completely regardless of whatever Leigh had said. He could have said that without her article.