GamerGate thread

[Teryu]

Well of fucking course it isn't a lot. NOT because straight authors can't write gays, but because they DON'T write gays. The list is so small to choose from to look at.

You know how you fix that? Have them fucking write gays.

So you want to take away creative freedom from them and make them write about a group they most likely have no experience with? Great.

[Kuya]

A kuya thread about the gays?

Not that there's anything wrong with that, right?

Also it's not a thread about gay people. Not that you care.

[Teryu]

Not that there's anything wrong with that, right?

Also it's not a thread about gay people. Not that you care.

Actually we do need more gay threads since the one we had is dead now to be fair.

[Ksandra]

So you want to take away creative freedom from them and make them write about a group they most likely have no experience with? Great.

No one is taking away creative freedom, don't be stupid.

If you have a character you have in mind, and they are going to be straight because of things you have in mind for that character, don't make them gay. I can fucking garuntee you that there are many many many side characters not fully thought out by authors that serve some purpose with little "required for the plot" backstory, that they could make gay.



I honestly don't think a lot of authors are going to be upset if they have some of their characters be gay. I think they flat out just don't think about it. Bringing attention to it may make some authors think about the sexuality of some of their characters when they never really thought about it before.

[Arelian]

So you want to take away creative freedom from them and make them write about a group they most likely have no experience with? Great.

I think it's more about creating an environment where it might not be considered financial/personal ruin for attempting at writing a LBGT character.

How many romance plots in game are there? How many are there that are LBGT-oriented?

Why do people not write the LBGT romance scenarios? Is it a lack of comfort with the subject, a lack of knowledge? (Lol).

I think it has more to do with a sense of normalcy. What changes if Zelda rescues Link? If Mario gets a kiss from Prince Peach at the end of the game?

[Teryu]

No one is taking away creative freedom, don't be stupid.

If you have a character you have in mind, and they are going to be straight because of things you have in mind for that character, don't make them gay. I can fucking guarantee you that there are many many many side characters not fully thought out by authors that serve some purpose with little "required for the plot" back story, that they could make gay.

I honestly don't think a lot of authors are going to be upset if they have some of their characters be gay. I think they flat out just don't think about it. Bringing attention to it may make some authors think about the sexuality of some of their characters when they never really thought about it before.

There is an example of this that I know of, Tony from Earthbound.

But the thing is that people are trying to make authors write gay characters for them, and not because of what the author has in mind for their story. Why does their sexuality have to be important to the authors though? Why can't they just make who or whatever they want and just have them be interesting on their own?

[Priran]

That is completely regardless of whatever Leigh had said. He could have said that without her article.

He isn't though? He's insisting in print and on radio that that's actually what the article is about and that GGers are "slopebrowed weaseldicks with zero reading comprehension", as your earlier quote put it.

That stereotype died years ago anyway, if it's really anti-GG's position that that stereotype is dead then maybe they should stop invoking it.

[Ksandra]

He isn't though? He's insisting in print and on radio that that's actually what the article is about and that GGers are "slopebrowed weaseldicks with zero reading comprehension", as your earlier quote put it.

That stereotype died years ago anyway, if it's really anti-GG's position that that stereotype is dead then maybe they should stop invoking it.

Actually correction because I had to figure out wtf you are going on about. He wasn't even talking about the Leigh article. It was an article written by Erik Kain.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain...ive-the-gamer/

And Kluwe is definitely in the same line as Kain's article.

I think you need to back up a bit and relax. Just because someone makes an interesting take on an idea does not mean magically we have to all bash gamers or anyone who dislikes Leigh or anita or w/e.


Do you think it bad over the idea that gamers no longer have the stereotype of being a basement dweller?

Do you think it bad that gamer is becoming a broader term to relate to most people who play games which is now most people period?

If you say no to both then you fucking agree with him ON THAT LITTLE PART.

It's ok to agree with him and still be pro-GG. It really is.

[Priran]

Actually correction because I had to figure out wtf you are going on about. He wasn't even talking about the Leigh article. It was an article written by Erik Kain.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain...ive-the-gamer/

And Kluwe is definitely in the same line as Kain's article.

I think you need to back up a bit and relax. Just because someone makes an interesting take on an idea does not mean magically we have to all bash gamers or anyone who dislikes Leigh or anita or w/e.


Do you think it bad over the idea that gamers no longer have the stereotype of being a basement dweller?

Do you think it bad that gamer is becoming a broader term to relate to most people who play games which is now most people period?

If you say no to both then you fucking agree with him ON THAT LITTLE PART.

It's ok to agree with him and still be pro-GG. It really is.

Sorry, I was mistaken, I was thinking of someone else who works for Deadspin and said the exact same thing two days later. I mix up my sportball anti-GGers.

I honestly don't care and never cared if there was a stereotype around gaming. It didn't stop me from playing them any time in the past and games haven't gotten any better for its death.

"Gamer" isn't becoming a broader term, it means gaming enthusiast.

But if you care about removing stereotypes and promoting inclusivity then maybe you should be taking a harder look at the people who cherrypick through gaming history to present a picture of an industry hostile to women to justify using their position in the industry to advance their personal politics at the cost of anyone who disagrees with them.

[Ksandra]

Sorry, I was mistaken, I was thinking of someone else who works for Deadspin and said the exact same thing two days later. I mix up my sportball anti-GGers.

I honestly don't care and never cared if there was a stereotype around gaming. It didn't stop me from playing them any time in the past and games haven't gotten any better for its death.

"Gamer" isn't becoming a broader term, it means gaming enthusiast.

But if you care about removing stereotypes and promoting inclusivity then maybe you should be taking a harder look at the people who cherrypick through gaming history to present a picture of an industry hostile to women to justify using their position in the industry to advance their personal politics at the cost of anyone who disagrees with them.

Pirian I am not anti-GG. I am pretty much on the fence with this stuff as I see things from both camps I agree with so you do not need to worry about posting the bad shit with me. I know there is bad shit going on from both sides. Doesn't mean we shouldn't look at what is important from both, though.


I meant gamer being a broadened term as if you played fb games in the past people would laugh at you for trying to call yourself a gamer. Now, ya if you are enthusiastic about it, you are a gamer.

And you may not care what you were called, and that is totally fine, but I do like the idea that gamer is no longer a negative stereotype. For me, I like the idea that anyone from anywhere can be a gamer.

I can see why it is important to Kluwe, too, considering he was an NFL player.

[Xno Kappa]

Thread reminds me of that shitty ass Gone Home game. The whole lesbian angle was so forced it was cringeworthy. I wanted to unload a clip at my laptop because I still was waiting for ghosts or some shit at the end.

[Voyage1970]

What changes if Zelda rescues Link?

Kind of besides the point but Link rescuing Zelda is kinda the whole point. The dynamic of the lore suggests that Zelda is the important one and Link is just her guardian. That's why you always see the villains go after her first instead of Link even though he's the one who ultimately foils them. Now you could switch the genders and have Prince Zelda with Ms. Link and yeah sure that would be fine.

Sorry for the tangent but just had to nerd out for a bit about Zelda lore since I saw it.

[thetruepandagod]

So then how do we know some of the supposed straight characters aren't gay?

Pretty much this.

If a gay character is written well with no mention of him actually being gay how would you know he is gay without it being explicitly mentioned? For the majority of movies there is only one straight couple being the main character and the love interest, who's to say every other character in the movie isn't gay?

For example someone just cited Bill from the last of us being a well written gay character yet the only thing that even let's you know he is gay is a very brief mention of a past same sex partner. He could have very easily just remained a loner handyman who didn't talk about his backstory and still been gay without it being mentioned, but it HAS to be mentioned for people to know hence the problem of forcing characters to be blatantly gay a lot of the time without it seeming forced, a la the nigga earlier whining about dumbledore bein gay for book attention.

But then again i don't care i prefer all my gays in movies to be like the birdcage.

[Xno Kappa]

Oberyn Martell. That dude was a bad ass and the way his sexuality was handled was hilariously awesome.

[SephYuyX]

Why does media always feel the need to portray the ultra annoying lispy gays? Wouldnt most gays find that offensive? Thats like saying all blacks are hood rats, all asians wear glasses and are super nerdy, all spanish are mexicans, and all whites are old and rich.

[quannum]

well, you can show a black guy on film and viola! theres a black guy being presented.
at the very least an "oh by the way, he's gay" is needed to present a gay guy. ... or an afterthought in an interview by the writer.

[Teryu]

Why does media always feel the need to portray the ultra annoying lispy gays? Wouldnt most gays find that offensive? Thats like saying all blacks are hood rats, all asians wear glasses and are super nerdy, all spanish are mexicans, and all whites are old and rich.

Because in most media gay people are just props to glorify the female lead.

[Kibble]

But if you care about removing stereotypes and promoting inclusivity then maybe you should be taking a harder look at the people who cherrypick through gaming history to present a picture of an industry hostile to women to justify using their position in the industry to advance their personal politics at the cost of anyone who disagrees with them.

People write and create things about what they like, shocker. You gotta remember man, it's not about personal politics, it's actually about ethics in games journalism.

It's also not about attacking women either. Seriously. Really, it's not about Zoe Quinn or anything. It's actually about ethics in games journalism. Definitely not hostile towards women though.

[Priran]

it's about inclusivity guys

[Teryu]

Wow Pirian, stop being misogynist by posting the horrible things that anti-GGs say.