Rogue/Ninja Discussion

[kisada]

mudra should really needs to be less than .5.

[Niiro]

Mudra's shouldn't have a recast, period.

[Cham]

It's quite silly that lag and latency should affect Mudras. There is a significant difference in its responsiveness before and after I use a tunneling service.

[Ratatapa]

@Ratatapa
That's what I'm talking about. It's not so much that I get bunny when I should be getting Huton or Suiton, it's that I put in all my mudras making sure not to spam the button and use Ninjutsu but it still takes longer than the .5s recast would lead you to believe. So I run into instances where while I have 2.05 seconds between GCDs to put out a Ninjutsu that should take 1.5s to execute it actually takes about 3s and my GCD is left hanging. I doubt it's hurting DPS that severely but when I see people comparing Dummy DPS where Ninjutsu activates instantly to other DPS I think it's kinda leaving out a big factor in animation lag that occurs in other instances.

Sometimes I press 2 times on action due to the latency and thinking I didn't hit the action

Which provoke the bunny

[Niiro]

Idk if it's been mentioned yet but Goad is 40tp/tic for 400 TP over 30 secs.

[Arthars]

okay im a little mad nao

mudras is aweful in final coil turn 3, the delay is unbelievable........................

also im not sure assasinate are meant to "assassinate yourself" because i lost count number of times i eat some WS cos im busy cutting some heads in the air...

[Kidzukai]

What kind of DPS are you guys doing on T9? My group is slow and hasn't cleared it but it seemed like we were easily meeting the DPS checks that we were missing by 1% previously. I was usually on top with my MNK and I felt like I put out more damage on my NIN.

[Spider-Dan]

Mudra's shouldn't have a recast, period.

Would that even matter?

I mean, there are many actions in the game that should be instant but have lag anyway (usually animation). Logically, you should be able to burn through all your off-GCD buffs in between your first and second GCD, but due to animation lag you have to weave them or waste GCD uptime.

[Mistress Stowastiq]

Noob question:
I went and broke my Rogue by putting attribute points in places only someone who has never played DOW just played DOM up to this point would do.

Anyone have an idea where I would find a total count of how many bonus attribute points Rogues receive/can allocate from level 1 to 30? I am asking because I am going to use Keeper's Hymn to re-assign my attribute points but I have not kept track of how many times I have added attribute points and I do not want to go beyond the base points and end up over or under assigning some again.

The display of the attributes tab where you add the points, is confusing to me as well so if the answer is found in it, perhaps a description of how that panel works would be all that I need.

This is assuming that Keeper's Hymn resets all attribute points [base plus bonus] to zero in the first place. If it only resets the awarded attribute and not the base attribute points, I will have only the previously awarded points to re-distribute.

I appreciate any help

[Dotsudoku]

I have no idea what you're asking, but hymns are remarkably cheap now- use one and put all of your points into DEX

[shidobu]

stat allocation is class specific. Just dump them all into dex and only dex. "Set it and forget it". You get all your points back, your making it harder than what it is.

Just reset and dump them into dex for ninja.

[TheDirtyHobo]

Wat. I don't understand the purpose of this question. Even under the assumption that you really have no idea what happens, what do you honestly think is going to happen?

A) You get to reassign literally all of your stats, several hundred points at 50, and you get to drop all the dead weight useless stats of STR, MND, PIE, INT which have zero value to you (and I swear to christ, if one of you chucklefucks says "parry strength") and crank DEX and VIT to insane levels.

B) You get to reassign the 15 bonus points you have at that level.

Either way, what's the downside?

[Dotsudoku]

"chucklefucks" may be one of my new favorite words

[Mistress Stowastiq]

@Dotsudoku
Sorry for confusion.
Rogue without armor, just referring to attribute points.

As I level Rogue the game awards me attribute points to allocate where I wish, I'll call those "awarded attribute points".
There are also the points that are not adjustable by me, I am referring to those as "base attribute points".

I assigned the awarded attribute points to the wrong stats so I want to reassign them.
I am not certain if keeper's hymn will reset base attributes as well as the awarded attribute points, leaving my character with zeros in each attribute and a pile of points to add anywhere I wish so I wanted to know the total amount of attribute points that are awarded from level 1 to 30 so that I know how much to only add to DEX and not take away from the base attributes.

I understand that Rogue needs lots of DEX but if keeper's Hymn erases all attribute points and resets me to zero, I could not just leave my character at zero VIT, zero, STR and everything else and just give him purely DEX.

Thank you for help

@TheDirtyHobo
Thank you for your help and yes that makes sense but the downside is: I do not know precisely point by point how much of the base points are just wasted on stats like MND, INT when it comes to Rogue considering I broke him with just the ones that were awarded to me.

@shidobu thank you for your help. Yep I make things harder than I need to all the time sadly. If I am understanding what you said, I think this resolves my question since I will only have the awarded attribute points to reset.

[cute]

You can't change your base stats. You only get the "awarded attribute points" back.

[Ratatapa]

Noob question:
I went and broke my Rogue by putting attribute points in places only someone who has never played DOW just played DOM up to this point would do.

Anyone have an idea where I would find a total count of how many bonus attribute points Rogues receive/can allocate from level 1 to 30? I am asking because I am going to use Keeper's Hymn to re-assign my attribute points but I have not kept track of how many times I have added attribute points and I do not want to go beyond the base points and end up over or under assigning some again.

The display of the attributes tab where you add the points, is confusing to me as well so if the answer is found in it, perhaps a description of how that panel works would be all that I need.

This is assuming that Keeper's Hymn resets all attribute points [base plus bonus] to zero in the first place. If it only resets the awarded attribute and not the base attribute points, I will have only the previously awarded points to re-distribute.

I appreciate any help

Rata get out of this body

[Alistaire]

In case there was any doubt, just got bloody knife blades as a reward for an alc leve, triple turn in one too. :D

[Kiarax]

Resubbed lastnight to mess with NIN, does it bug the fuck outta anyone else that you can't weave WS between mudras? This class is damn fun but it bugs the shit outta me wasting GCD time casting them when there's some latency. Even with NINs ridic damage it's driving my inner tryhard bonkers.

[Crescendo]

In case there was any doubt, just got bloody knife blades as a reward for an alc leve, triple turn in one too. :D

Which one?

I spent about 40 leve's doing the Mega-Potion of Vitality ALC leve in Ul'dah and only got 1 Bloody Grimoire

[Velhart]

Does anyone know if there are specific settings you have to do to the latest version of ACT for it to parse a NIN properly? I can't confirm if it a parse or not, but with my setup and doing the exact rotation the 500+ DPS did with no error done in the rotation at all. It still came around 470-475. Should I do a focus on Crt > Det > SS or Det > Crit > SS? Some have told me to prioritize crit, but yet to see any real data off this. Any help is appreciated.