Rogue/Ninja Discussion

**Deadgye** · 2015-01-25 00:04

Originally Posted by Niiro

Now I'm even more confused, because that setup you posted isn't ACC capped for T13.

Wat? Yes it is. For flank at least, which is all we can be able to care about.

**Niiro** · 2015-01-25 00:12

When I clicked it earlier the ACC was 532 or something, it's showing 535 now <_>

**Deadgye** · 2015-01-25 03:11

Site was down when you said that afaik so let's say magic happened.

**Niiro** · 2015-01-25 11:19

I had clicked on it the day before but didn't comment cause I was kind of confused (I thought maybe they were asking if the stat distribution on the relic was correct in terms of how relic stats progress).

But I coulda sworn it wasn't 535 when I checked then!

The number 535 is practically seared into my brain at this point (see: shit BRD gear selection and playing BRD on my alt).

**cute** · 2015-02-03 12:34

Do you use macro for Ninjitsu action?

**Arthars** · 2015-02-03 13:19

never ever

also mudras delay is significantly lower in WoD....... or did they ninja fix it idk

**Kiarax** · 2015-02-03 13:51

Mudra delay just varies wildly by instance. Housing instances have almost none, WoD has very little for some reason, FCoB has a fucking boatload of lag every time. Being EU is suffering everywhere though, I'm actually glad they nerfed Raiton so I don't ever need to fucking use it with my delay.

**Helel** · 2015-02-04 02:31

For me, it seems to depend on whether I'm moving or not. If I'm standing completely still, I have very little mudra lag in coil. If I'm casting while moving, it's really terrible. I've noticed this on BRD as well. If I'm not moving, I can get in 2 CDs between GCD without the CDs clipping the GCD. If I'm moving, the 2nd CD will usually clip the GCD slightly. Face target also counts as movement.

This weird ability/movement lag doesn't seem to apply to WoD or dungeons. Strangely, it also does not apply during S or A rank hunts. Even if a zone is normally laggy, the mudra lag is gone completely during hunts (or any crowded event). I don't really understand it.

**TheDirtyHobo** · 2015-02-04 05:44

Originally Posted by Kiarax

FCoB has a fucking boatload of lag every time

In 13 earlier today, I cast FIVE MUDRA (Saw the boxes tick around 5 times) and got Fuma Shuriken. It was both horrifying and rage inducing.

**Deadgye** · 2015-02-04 13:18

>Casting Fuma Shuriken, Raiton, and then Suiton, all back to back.

I'm currently paying for WTFast so that I can coil as ninja. If I can get verizon to change my route to the servers so that I'm not dropping packets, maybe I can stop that. Hopefully we're geared up enough to not need me at 110% performance when my wtfast sub runs out.

**Arthars** · 2015-02-04 13:22

same, in order to play NIN, i have battleping subscribed......

3 dollars+ a month extra just to cast some mudras >.>

**Sigmakan** · 2015-02-04 17:07

How does a VPN help in this scenario?

Like others have said, I have no issues in Mist, but I do have issues in many instances like Coil. Seems to indicate the issue is on SE's side? How would a VPN help? (honest question, I know very little about VPNs)

**Hiroishime** · 2015-02-04 22:51

watch JP videos with NIN perspectives and you will see why latency matters while playing NIN.

**Karbuncle** · 2015-02-04 23:00

Originally Posted by Arthars

same, in order to play NIN, i have battleping subscribed......

3 dollars+ a month extra just to cast some mudras >.>

I've actually, and I'm not sure how, managed to throw a Shuriken (Animation and all, IDK if it did damage) and have a bunny on my head. I think I hit the Shuriken button and a Mudra button at the same time.

**Sigmakan** · 2015-02-04 23:22

Originally Posted by Hiroishime

watch JP videos with NIN perspectives and you will see why latency matters while playing NIN.

So that wasnt really my question, but yes I'm well aware of how latency impacts NIN.

**Hiroishime** · 2015-02-04 23:39

Apology, VPN significantly reduces latency (but i think this also depends where you are), like if it was low to begin with, you wont really notice anything. I am right now playing 80-100ms and WTFast puts me at 40-50ms after using their chain server settings.

**Deadgye** · 2015-02-05 00:27

Originally Posted by Karbuncle

I've actually, and I'm not sure how, managed to throw a Shuriken (Animation and all, IDK if it did damage) and have a bunny on my head. I think I hit the Shuriken button and a Mudra button at the same time.

I've cast Fuma, Raiton, and Suiton back to back to back before. And then bunnied. You have no idea how hard I raged.

In regards to using VPNs for ninja: I don't have latency problems. I live in NY, so I'm not far from the servers. However the path that my packets take from my house/router to SEs servers pass through some shitty fucking routers that drop packets, causing my mudras to bounce back at me. (Use 2 mudras, start ninjutsu animation, start pressing gcd, ninjutsu decides loljustkidding and now I have a bunny.) I use the VPN to force a route for the packets that doesn't bring me through a shitty route, so that I'm not dropping packets at all.

It's literally R0 problems. Because when I'm playing ffxiv.ppt I can stay alive during the fight by pretending that things are happening, because the server will still receive and update my character position. If 'what ninjutsu I can use' wasn't calculated server side, I'm pretty sure I'd be able to just pretend stuff is happening and let it catch up later.

**Arthars** · 2015-02-05 05:59

the difference between me switching on my battleping vs forgetting about it is huge

i have seen instances of shuriken + raiton animation going off together in 1 ninjitsu click when im casting raiton if i didnt on battleping in coil

at least when i on it, i can play "normally". granted not like mist type of no-lag but its fast enough to maybe drop 5-10ish DPS compared to JPs

JP's mudras is ridiculous -_- they are literally in mist in every zone

**TheDirtyHobo** · 2015-02-05 07:20

Originally Posted by Deadgye

(Use 2 mudras, start ninjutsu animation, start pressing gcd, ninjutsu decides loljustkidding and now I have a bunny.)

I swear to christ every time this happens I just want to call it a wipe and start over. Even more so when doing Huton. Jin Chi Ten Ninjutsu Oh wait that Chi didn't go off, you wanted to katon a single target and lose haste for the next 20 seconds, right?

Half the time I just don't use kassatsu so that I can save it for mudra fuckups and put Huton back up.

**Deadgye** · 2015-02-05 10:48

you wanted to katon a single target and lose haste for the next 20 seconds, right?

This is actually the one that annoys me more. So much rage.

If I don't have a perfect connection due to WTFast, I have to save kassatsu as well to fix the fuck-ups. You need a perfect connection to use kassatsu anyway since the timing is incredibly tight for getting 4 ninjutsu in without futon falling off.

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