Rogue/Ninja Discussion

[Seravi Edalborez]

There's currently no reason to ever use SA in group content after 50, both because it's gonna get you murdered going to the front in at least half of the relevant hard fights and because TA is nuts. Until they give TA some kind of longer cooldown.

[Crescendo]

Maybe I missed it, but is Sneak Attack used often? Or is Trick Attack far more effective in the long run to use?

Sneak Attack theoretically should only be used in solo situations where you are face-tanking and cannot apply the Trick Attack debuff. Though I am sure it's possible to Kiss of the Wasp+Jugulate stun and run to the back during the stun...

Trick Attack should be used in every other situation ever. +10% Damage increase for your entire raid group is too good to pass up.

[Corrderio]

Oh whoops, I had them confused. Derp.

[Crescendo]

Oh whoops, I had them confused. Derp.

So is TA only used for an opener? Or is there part of the ninjutsu rotation to put up Suiton? Rotation I was looking at was Huton > Raiton > Raiton

Ninjutsu rotation should be: (Huton > Suiton/TA > Raiton) repeat
If Kassatsu is up, you can fit in double Raiton for one cycle: (Huton > Suiton/TA > Kassatsu Raiton > Raiton)
You'll want that Kassatsu Raiton to come out a.s.a.p though, so you not only gain the benefit of the TA Debuff on the Crit Raiton, but you don't lose Huton by the time the cycle loops over.

Hide is lost when the Tank engages on a boss monster so you cannot open with it even if you wanted to.



EDIT: vvvvvvvvvv sorry slow day

[Corrderio]

Bah, you beat me before my edit.

[Niiro]

It's quite acute at how complex NIN becomes when you hit that magical 45 and get suddenly can't hold all these jutsus.

Goes from "blah blah Raiton single target Katon multiple zzz" to "ogod HutonSuitonTARaiton somanyrecasts. shit, multiple targets? how long are they gonna live!?"

[Corrderio]

Yeah. Sucks too since Ninjutsu would be easy if the absolute minimum on a macro wasn't a second.

Oh well. I got 5 macro keys on my keyboard. Problem solved for me... I hope...

[serasreborn]

got animus and novus pics. theyll get posted once I get nep to

[Shenrien]

You mean something like dis? http://imgur.com/a/zeSXb#4

and then there is people like this.
hueg maybe

Spoiler: show

[Karbuncle]

Always seems like lalafails are the most insanely devoted people.

[Ratatapa]

If I join a t8 need group as nin can I lot aiming ring?

I'm asking because SE is good at shitting stuff like this

[Niiro]

Yes.

[Niiro]

In retrospect, the dubious simplicity of NIN's damage buffs (Kiss and Huton) almost seem like they were designed to be fail-safe ways to easily nerf the class.

Unlike Maim, Heavy Thrust, Twin Snakes/GL, etc. the Kiss abilities are just a flat 24/7 boost that applies to all of their damage, so when they realize NIN is OP all they have to do is cut the bonus 10% or whatever and call it a day rather than have to juggle around adjusting/nerfing various mechanics and individual WS/ability potency (TA will no doubt get a Virus like cooldown tho).

[Shenrien]

inb4 they only made NIN the way it is currently so it would lure people to play level and utilize it in end game before they deiced to take away some of its damage potency's or add flanks and rears onto certain attacks that actually matter outside of SA/TA so they actually require some sort of movement rather brain dead button mash.

The biggest nerf they could make to the class is reducing huton's attack speed potency, in my opinion.

[Arthars]

if they nerf it, then its justified because its too strong atm

people who cry on OF after, is what im waiting for

need some nice posts there to spice up my life

only reason why i can think of giving NIN a 24/7 flat out 20% dmg boost buff is because they think ninjutsu is troublesome enough and adding 1 more buff for nin to maintain will be "too hard"

gaming mouse yo!

also, time to discuss NIN's weakness

FUCKING ASSASSINATION LOCK

[Alistaire]

So Kassatsu does make katon crit on all targets, and every tick of doton crit'd on a dummy just now.

[Arthars]

god damnit, the delay of ninjutsu in coil compared to housing zone is massive

i feel like im wasting 1 sec more each ninjutsu i cast in coil, hurting my DPS.....

only 410 on turn 11.... MNK did 440

with NIN, MNK seem to be gaining DPS.... my drg/mnk static member love my goad nao

[StUfF]

mt

[Voyage1970]

I honestly hope instead of nerfing NIN, they are just showing us a precursor for the kinds of DPS we will need to be pushing come 3.0 and MNK and especially DRG get some amazing new abilities at 60 cap. I mean the in-house testing they do for DPS checks and what not should have shown that NIN had a clear advantage over other DPS as it is now so I figure they fully intended NIN to be as strong as it is now. Then again this is also the same group that didn't realize you could just blast it's way through Turn 1 w/o worrying about stacks but I'd like to think they've learned since then.

[Mina]

I honestly hope instead of nerfing NIN, they are just showing us a precursor for the kinds of DPS we will need to be pushing come 3.0 and MNK and especially DRG get some amazing new abilities at 60 cap. I mean the in-house testing they do for DPS checks and what not should have shown that NIN had a clear advantage over other DPS as it is now so I figure they fully intended NIN to be as strong as it is now. Then again this is also the same group that didn't realize you could just blast it's way through Turn 1 w/o worrying about stacks but I'd like to think they've learned since then.

I like this thinking more than the "nerf NIN" thought/crying I hear in game. Just buff everyone else. *dusts hands* Problem solved and no one is unhappy.