FFXIV Random Complaint Thread II: DPS can't count to potato

[Gulkeeva]

I tend to just drop after whatever boss I was aiming for does/doesn't drop what I want and I win/don't win the item. Plenty of stuff to do, to pass 30min... especially as a crafter >.>

I could pop food (30min) -> craft a few mil in items -> when timer ends , que another WoD and repeat till I get an item or to the point I don't care anymore and just lot on everything that drops just to finish the weekly (already got all my healer items anyway!)

[The Stig]

It is rather amusing I admit. I say in alliance after 5headlizard "omg no brd loot vote abandon" for jokes.

And as layoneil explained, it's requesting to be vote kicked rather then manning up and eating the penalty.

For a slightly different example, when the second boss dies and 1 guy mysteriously disconnected, I tell the party he probably didn't get what he wanted, and faked disconnected hope we'd remove him and not eat a penalty. Understanding that fact, I insisted we shouldn't give him the benefit of a kick and kept him in the party and the party listened. Come 20 odd minutes later (there was chaining issues on cerberus) he reconnects, still in WoD and says "..." and then disconnects again. I type in party "see?"

That's just spoilt behaviour on their part; we're all under the same system, we're all also probably not getting what we want until 20 runs later. Why should the rest of us vote yes to remove you when everyone else is happy to chug on and complete the duty? Either eat the penalty or suffer like we all are under SE's brilliant system.

Sure I might sound like a scrub here but ultimately I think I'm trying to say, no one should get special treatment. They're not wrong, but they're a douche for asking or trying to invoke a kick. Get in line and suffer like everyone else (the penalty, or the act of wasting more time continuing. And if you don't want to continue, fine, but you're staying here until we finish).

[layoneil]

Breaking one thought into three parts doesn't make the consequences seem any more grave.

Having them eat a 30 minute penalty because you don't feel like eating a 45 second one is a dick move.

is that in response to me? how is that one thought? it's 3 different situations. i will not be responsible for making my life any more difficult so you can save yourself 30 minutes.

i ate breakfast between the time it took to refill the party this morning, i'm not a particularly fast eater.

also 45 seconds split between 23 people is 17 minutes.

[Hiryo]

Sure I might sound like a scrub here but ultimately I think I'm trying to say, no one should get special treatment. They're not wrong, but they're a douche for asking or trying to invoke a kick. Get in line and suffer like everyone else (the penalty, or the act of wasting more time continuing. And if you don't want to continue, fine, but you're staying here until we finish).

This is perfectly reasonable imo.

The only time i'd vote kick was if the person was honest and at least a little kind about it.
"Hey guys, I'm capped on Poetics and don't need any Soldiery. Can get vote kicked? I've killed 50 hydra's and seen 50 striking/scouting pieces. Really not trying to get anything else"

That "..." stuff is why they don't deserve to be kicked.

[Rocl]

Fuck that. You queued for this shit, knuckle down and finish it out you lazy fucking bastard. If you don't like the system, don't participate or don't sub. I don't think I've actually voted yes on the Vote Kick system. You wanna troll the group? Fine, you're wasting your own time too. You wanna pitch a bit fit and afk at the boss that didn't drop your piece? Fine, you're wasting your time too. FUCK YOU, EVERYONE.

[Hellfury]

Fuck that. You queued for this shit, knuckle down and finish it out you lazy fucking bastard. If you don't like the system, don't participate or don't sub. I don't think I've actually voted yes on the Vote Kick system. You wanna troll the group? Fine, you're wasting your own time too. You wanna pitch a bit fit and afk at the boss that didn't drop your piece? Fine, you're wasting your time too. FUCK YOU, EVERYONE.

This.

[Lucavi]

I see both sides, and it doesn't inconvenience my run when people AFK because the shit's piss easy anyway and they weren't actually DPSing when they were actively participating in the first place.

Its a shitty system and SE knows it. We're, what, 4 weeks into this thing and between 8 people in my 2 WoD runs last night, 7/8 drops hit the floor. That's indefensible for a 2015 MMO drop system. This content isn't even old and everything is hitting the floor because of the low % chance to actually get the drop you're looking for in a single chest out of some 11 loot tables, plus the weekly gear lockout.

I'm beyond blaming the victim for acting up in an already shitty situation.

[layoneil]

I'm beyond blaming the victim for acting up in an already shitty situation.

if you leave during the instance and take the 30 minute penalty, you're still the victim.

you can ask to be kicked and still be the victim.

after the other people decide they don't want to kick you and you decide to afk and not help with something you signed up for, you stop being the victim.

after the other people decide they don't want to kick you and you decide to insult them, you stop being the victim.

you don't get to beat kids up at school cause your dad beat you at home.

[Ratatapa]

I love getting my COD checkpoint in WOD for the weekly, so please continue to leave

[Raldo]

I love getting my COD checkpoint in WOD for the weekly, so please continue to leave

This so much (except I've never got a CoD checkpoint, it's usually earlier).

As much as I agree with the people that don't vote kick lazy/d.bag/whatevers, I appreciate the people that just up and leave because the amount of fucks that I have to give about WoD loot is pretty close to zero, but I do still feel obligated to do the weekly.

The amount of times I've entered a WoD that wasn't in-progress: 1. Love it. I do not even remember what the first pull is in WoD because I've only ever seen it once.

[Niiro]

It's that stupid one with the 3 chimera and the 3 giant floor AoEs that cover 90% of the area.

Seriously who designed that bit cause they must fuckin hate melee DPS.

[Intense]

Fuck those who offline/fake-afk when they don't get what they want. I always vote no also.

[ronin sparthos]

Throwing in my lot with the Market Board hatred. The frustration of being repeatedly being undercut until whatever profit was possible becomes damn near break-even is just ridiculous.

The amount of useless items in the game is something that changes with Heavensward as there is no excuse that so many items might as well be called "vendor trash #X"

Also, the rage in any alliance content is delicious. Cerberus in particular seems to draw out the ragequitter in alliances. Or failing to activate the jump pads on Glasya looool.

DEATHSTREAM TAKE YOU ALL.

[Rocl]

yo listen every time someone says chains takes 8 ppl i burst a blood vessel. like fuck i realize it's a mnemonic or w/e but come the fuck on you couldn't say "cerberus" rather than the one mechanic that literally does not require 8 people. i can understand delegating 8 people to wolfsbane or even a set "eight" for the stomach but jesus fuck those reddit trash who repeat "c chains" THERE ARE TWO CHAINS. TWO. MIGHT AS WELL CALL THAT SHIT TITY BOI C'MON. FUCK YOU. FUCKING EIGHT PEOPLE FOR CHAINS NO.

[Rocl]

#fuckcerberus2015

[ronin sparthos]

Yesterday I had the honor of wiping Allagan Bomb. Allagan-fucking-Bomb.

Dissapointed there's no achievement for that new low.

[Corrderio]

Farming 4 hours and not one single Atma

[Taint]

Farming 4 hours and not one single Atma

That doesn't even seem possible.... I have like 50 from random fates.

[Dotsudoku]

Fuck that. You queued for this shit, knuckle down and finish it out you lazy fucking bastard. If you don't like the system, don't participate or don't sub. I don't think I've actually voted yes on the Vote Kick system. You wanna troll the group? Fine, you're wasting your own time too. You wanna pitch a bit fit and afk at the boss that didn't drop your piece? Fine, you're wasting your time too. FUCK YOU, EVERYONE.

You're conflating complete douchebags with people politely asking to be removed at little to no penalty to other members. Nobody who pitches a fit or trolls the group deserves to have their requests granted, and all the same, nobody else is morally obligated to help them out regardless of their demeanor. My problem is with everyone taking a staunchly anti-kicking position for apparently no reason at all other than man up. When it turns into a, "it's the principle of the thing, man!" situation rather than an issue of practical inconvenience, it becomes a dick move.

If there weren't a gigantic line of people waiting to pop in their place to take a teleporter to exactly where you currently are, I'd probably feel differently. In the mean time, if someone politely asks(and doesn't throw a bitchfit if there's opposition), I see no reason not to appease them.

[Kiarax]

Pissing people off (or playing like a complete shitter) is actually the secret to getting loot in WoD, RNGesus loves assholes. You should always strive to make the other parties as mad as possible if you are getting tired of your shit not dropping.