FFXIV Random Complaint Thread II: DPS can't count to potato

[Kirbyprime]

Meh, cleared t9 before this, not complaining. If anything, I feel sorry for those who come after who genuinely want to clear coil as it was before nerfs and will never be able to. Plus I mean now we can put out the "back in my day we stoned the tank and wrote the party for 3 hours and we liked it" card

[solracht]

back in my day groups were disbanded over the first t4 dreadnaught

[Kiarax]

Given I just resubbed a couple weeks ago it kinda sucks they're changing it (I actually just started second coil tonight and T6 was already kind of a joke), but most of the changes do seem to be kind of irrelevant if you actually choose to partake in the mechanics. You can probably straight up ignore blight and DPS through it for example but shittier groups will probably still want to avoid it just incase. At least it will ease up having to find 7 people who aren't braindead I guess. I can manage all the mechanics of a fight no problem but without a static the issue is typically one or two guys fucking up and wiping the other people who aren't shitters. At least I'll still be able to hit up T9 I guess. ;_; I'll turn off echo don't judge me!

[Neon_Sea]

Yeah I genuinely wanted to clear t9 pre nerf, but me and everyone I raid with is 30+ with jobs and lives. Trust fam, we aint losing no sleep over it.

[The47thSen]

Anyone complaining needs to get out of their ivory tower and hang out with 'casuals'/non-raiders more.

I've some friends who've never cleared T5, and some only because they lucked into a group. A couple weeks back we spent some time together trying to teach them T5, and for the life of them they could not understand FS/FB. Divebombs and twisters were impossible to get through with them alive. They aren't exactly bad players, heck, they cleared EX titan before echo, but all that stuff going on in coil just seems to be on a totally separate level for these group of people.

With how mechanic heavy the entirety of 2nd coil was, they would never be able to get through any of it without this level of nerfs. And there is not good reason from a business standpoint to exclude a large part of your customer base from 7 month old content 'just because'. I'm actually surprised they didn't remove the T5 clear requirement.

One guy in my FC wants me to take him through 2nd coil and each time I ask him, are you ready to deal with mechanics that are equivalent to T5? and he goes quiet. I don't mind spending the time to learn that content with him/them, but some people simply lack the mental dexterity for this kind of content.

[Rocl]

Next patch better remove devour too just to be safe and get rid of those nasty briars and venomous tail and oh boy petrifaction and brainjack are too tricksy make gaseous bomb base dmg lower and have homing missile tether accompanied with an airhorn noise if it's on you

[Kiarax]

have homing missile tether accompanied with an airhorn noise if it's on you

It's okay top tier raiders already do that with third party apps. :^)

[Rocl]

This is why I'll never be top tier

[Obsidian]

Yeah I genuinely wanted to clear t9 pre nerf, but me and everyone I raid with is 30+ with jobs and lives. Trust fam, we aint losing no sleep over it.

They didn't touch T9 mechanics and you can click off the Echo if you're that determined to do it.

I'm kind of impressed they turfed Landmine damage but didn't touch Allagan Field.

[Rocl]

To use a shitty analogy:
I have fond masochistic memories of leveling my first job in XI. Valkurm, Boyahda, etc all still instill a sense of loathing nostalgia.

When the game made leveling pisseasy with Abyssea I was sad. It wasn't rational for me to be, but I was. I knew why the game needed it and grew to applaud and love the change. Still doesn't mean I didnt think leveling was easy or not fun before Abyssea. It was easy and not fun. There's no badge of pride in leveling a job in XI a year+ after JP release just like there's no bragging right to clearing second coil six months after its release. I can still say "well that was fun" and not be legitimately angry at the nerfs

[Arthars]

Next patch better remove devour too just to be safe and get rid of those nasty briars and venomous tail and oh boy petrifaction and brainjack are too tricksy make gaseous bomb base dmg lower and have homing missile tether accompanied with an airhorn noise if it's on you

it might just happen XD

[Rocl]

In the words of Ricky Bobby "if you ain't first you're last" I guess people who only clear with echo are in bumper cars tho LOL

[Vaspinne]

Non-SCoB related complaint;

Was doing my daily trial run today. Got Titan hard, running it on Drg. Was having latency issues before but after some tinkering I've been able to dodge WotL and Landslide with much more ease compared to before. Anyway, ran through the entire fight, avoided every plume, every landslide, every bomb, got gaol'd right as Titan was <5% HP and the DPS took that second or 2 too long to free me, resulting in me getting hit by all 3 Landslides simultaneously, getting knocked off the edge, and in what has become an FFXIV meme of typical Drg fashion, dieing, plummeting to the floor off the edge just as Titan was defeated.

Got lol'd at by the entire party despite having an awesome run +_+.

On the plus side, got my 100th commendation and earned my pope hat. So there's that I suppose.

[Rocl]

Also I completely forgot we replaced 3 DPS because they couldn't down the first dread in T4 fast enough so thx for that solracht

[Qeomash]

I'm honestly happy with the Coil nerfs. I cleared them all before the echo and the nerf. Only one I didn't clear pre-lockout removal was T9, and that wasn't for lack of trying. Breaking groups, constant replacements, general bad luck.

T6 was a joke for most players; I helped with many decent farm groups for friends the last couple weeks. These nerfs will just help the unfair phase transitions anyway. I don't think you'll want to skip actually doing Blighted or killing Bees. You just wont get screwed over by a bad phase transition anymore.

T7...I have a vendetta against that terribly designed turn. It broke my first static, causing several good friends to quit the game. I'm happy for the nerfs because I still want gear from it. Namely, healer body that I saw go past me 4 times. I've wanted to heal it so i could actually need on the body, but I never wanted to try and heal it with the potential for others to fuck it up so easily. Now I will.

T8 I don't think is much of a nerf. The landmines change is the only one of any real consequence; people will still want to clear them. It just makes it easier if you accidentally don't see one in time. I'm glad for this because I've seen three shields go by, and not enough groups willing to try clearing it.

T9...maybe now my friends who have been struggling to even see Heavensfall due to incompetence will finally get to.

[Damane]

Next patch better remove devour too just to be safe and get rid of those nasty briars and venomous tail and oh boy petrifaction and brainjack are too tricksy make gaseous bomb base dmg lower and have homing missile tether accompanied with an airhorn noise if it's on you

dont worty even with all of this gone ballistics will be enough. we tried to fill our group yesterday with 2 pugs. needless to say that none of them wanted to use TS so pushing towers in last phase went total poop shit.

I have to agree that coils are on a different tier then EMs. there is just much more coordination involved.

[Shenrien]

back in my day groups were disbanded over the first t4 dreadnaught

Back in my day, 8 people wiped to Titan HM for 5-6 weeks while I sat on the sidelines waiting for them to get through to raid with. 1 of them ended up buying their relic wins through an ls group I was in which was pretty laughable.

[Rocl]

Never raid with a man whose corpse you wouldn't bear on your back.

Also never raid with people who can't figure out game mechanics.

[Voyage1970]

* The adjustments listed above will not be applied to the Second Coil of Bahamut (Savage).

Is everyone just ignoring this bit? All this bemoaning of missing the "true" second coil and yet you still have all the painful fun right there for you in Savage mode.

Queue inevitable but Savage Mode is too hard, despite that being exactly what you were complaining about missing with the new nerfs. Hell you can even strut your e-peen around like a big dick OG with the titles Savage Coil rewards you with. No one gives a shit if you cleared second coil before the nerfs. Savage Mode is where the real challenge is. (tm)

[Rocl]

I'm sorry you misunderstood nostalgia and the whimsy of ~days gone by~ with gloating about my vast intellectual and gaming superiority.

Also Savage Coil titles became meaningless when ilvl was raised, so don't worry I missed that boat like some niggas missed all of Coil.