FFXIV Random Complaint Thread II: DPS can't count to potato

[Voyage1970]

I don't understand how its ~days gone by~ when you can get effectively the same experience by doing savage mode. It's just an option now instead of being forced down your throat. Granted if part of the nostalgia and whimsy was being forced to trudge through the mess then I retract my statement and lament the loss of your fond masochist memories. I mean that sincerely.

[Arthars]

i have friends coming to play soon, and i been thinking how the hell i going to teach them/do the mode we have back in the days without wasting my time

the nerf is good for them and good for the future of the game i suppose :O

[Rocl]

I don't think you understand the difference between Savage and the now defunct normal mode. You could still bullshit Second Coil without ever using Briars, stacking Renauds and Ballistic Missles, but Savage was designed somewhat specifically to counter those strategies. It is not the "effectively the same experience." Why doesn't Square Enix cater to the midcore players? Only hardcores and casuals I swear.

I guess maybe not having my static break over Stone Curse and having cleared the Binding and Second Coil with the same seven people plays into the nostalgia.

i have friends coming to play soon, and i been thinking how the hell i going to teach them/do the mode we have back in the days without wasting my time

the nerf is good for them and good for the future of the game i suppose :O

Yes, it's good for the game and I think I've mentioned that a few times now. We (my group) always thinks of ways to carry my sixty year old disabled father through fights when we do them so he can experience the story even though he's incapable of keeping up Greased Lightning. For the record he killed Twintania with only one death to the very first divebomb he ever saw (obviously it was like 15% Echo).

[Voyage1970]

Fair enough. I came off as more antagonistic than I meant to so I apologize if it seemed like I was calling you out for some reason. I was just genuinely confused why it was an issue all together.

I would argue that SE does cater to the midcore with coils before the nerf. All this does is shift the midcore set to final coil while casuals work on second. Hardcores have Savage Mode and doing the newest coil with bare minimum gear, Midcores get current coil with slightly upgraded gear and then casuals get the sloppy thirds way after the fact. Though I see no problem with adding a third option for coil specifically for the nerfed versions, we both know SE won't do that for whatever silly reason they concoct.

[Prothescar]

not sure if complaint or praise but just oneshotted a DF T7 where 3 people got the achievement at the end

[xIndustrialxAngelx]

The first group I join for DF on SCOB T6, has wiped 5 times already, way before leafstorm. I've seen it have up to 5 stacks on the first devour.

[solracht]

edit: wrong thread

[ebil]

I would argue that SE does cater to the midcore with coils before the nerf. All this does is shift the midcore set to final coil while casuals work on second. Hardcores have Savage Mode and doing the newest coil with bare minimum gear, Midcores get current coil with slightly upgraded gear and then casuals get the sloppy thirds way after the fact. Though I see no problem with adding a third option for coil specifically for the nerfed versions, we both know SE won't do that for whatever silly reason they concoct.

Except not really, because of the rigid lockout system that promotes going with a static, which is hardcore enough to manage for most people. I'd say that pre-nerf coil without the lockout would be a sweet spot in terms of difficulty. As it stands we get like 2-3 weeks of "catering to the midcore" with each raid cycle (with gear overlap).

[Ratatapa]

The first group I join for DF on SCOB T6, has wiped 5 times already, way before leafstorm. I've seen it have up to 5 stacks on the first devour.

Most people think echo = Guaranteed win and don't even try to do the mecanics

But you also got people who just wait for Echo before trying coil and hoping for an easy win

[Taint]

Turn11 Tethers....so easy, yet so hard.

[Deadgye]

Except not really, because of the rigid lockout system that promotes going with a static, which is hardcore enough to manage for most people. I'd say that pre-nerf coil without the lockout would be a sweet spot in terms of difficulty. As it stands we get like 2-3 weeks of "catering to the midcore" with each raid cycle (with gear overlap).

This, imo. These coil nerfs should have been put off for at least another month or two.

[Phydeaux]

That's it, I'm not doing the Crazy Like the Pox Ixali quest anymore. I'd rather keep losing potential money on collecting oaknots than keep fishing almost a stack of Bone Crayfish before a single Tangle Keeper.

From having more than an hour to do the dailies, I ended up running against the time to deliver the 5 others.

[Alistaire]

What bait are you using? I use topwater frog and it's never that bad.

[Rocl]

What bait are you using? I use topwater frog and it's never that bad.

Yeah I use a Rainbow Spoon Lure and worst case I catch 20 fish before the two skippers

[Seravi Edalborez]

One guy in my FC wants me to take him through 2nd coil and each time I ask him, are you ready to deal with mechanics that are equivalent to T5? and he goes quiet. I don't mind spending the time to learn that content with him/them, but some people simply lack the mental dexterity for this kind of content.

Frankly, this content isn't for them then. This is why they have multiple (or rather, "one other") paths to get to max ilvl with exception of weapon.

I'm trying to wrap my head around a person who wants to do Coil but can't. Literally can't, not just "is new / is a slow learner". I know there's plenty out there who don't care and just pretend Coil doesn't exist (the ones who complained you couldn't get i130 without the new Ramuh ring or Coil). I don't understand the other part though.

[Yukari]

What do you mean by can't? Like, physically is not able to, or what?

[Evane]

What do you mean by can't? Like, physically is not able to, or what?

I've seen that kind of people. Can't focus enough then gets frustrated with himself for not being able to do it. Then frustrated for feeling like a burden. Then stop asking for parties to attempt that content and then you lose them because they don't feel like logging.

[Kaisha]

Waiting forever on Twintania after snakes.

That and golems phase of T9 need a max wait time added after shit's all cleared.

[Narol]

I'm trying to wrap my head around a person who wants to do Coil but can't. Literally can't, not just "is new / is a slow learner". I know there's plenty out there who don't care and just pretend Coil doesn't exist (the ones who complained you couldn't get i130 without the new Ramuh ring or Coil). I don't understand the other part though.

I'm sort of in that boat. I mostly just ignore it because I don't like dealing with the bullshit of keeping statics together and constantly re-training people and all that (my luck here hasn't been stellar) but the root of the problem is my extremely erratic real-life schedule that makes it difficult to schedule statics anyway. Like, I literally don't know from week to week whether I'll have the same night free or not. So I've just started not bothering.

[miokomioko]

the root of the problem is my extremely erratic real-life schedule that makes it difficult to schedule statics anyway. Like, I literally don't know from week to week whether I'll have the same night free or not. So I've just started not bothering.

This is me and it sucks. Echo/nerfs are right up my alley. I thrive on the salty tears of the WORLD FIRSTS.