FFXIV Random Complaint Thread II: DPS can't count to potato

[Kaisha]

There's no winning for tanks on these. When I pull aggressively there's always someone complaining about the pace, but if I slow down healers start face pulling to speed it up. Then they argue with each other with me stuck in the middle of people arguing over play preference when idgaf and just want to get it over with.

Tell your healers to suck less and speed up the kill with some dps. At 60 I'm finding the runs go faster if everyone contributes and downs each pack as they stand, vs. pulling 2-3 groups and I'm stuck mashing Physick non-stop and rotating my CDs/Lustrates until I'm oom because either the tank isn't rotating their CDs after the initial pull, or the pull was long enough that they ran out of them.

My SCH dps is nothing to scoff at.

[Gokulo]

As mentioned before, people need to realize that we are not as overgeared for content as we have been until now and certain amount of caution and a change in playstyle would be a good idea.

[Raldo]

Are you all referring to just 60s, or including mid-50s leveling? As someone who's 56WAR, I feel like I'd get creamed if I doubled pulls (though maybe half of this problem is that I'm still only i128 despite doing The Aerty FIVE TIMES and getting one gear drop).

[layoneil]

Tell your healers to suck less and speed up the kill with some dps. At 60 I'm finding the runs go faster if everyone contributes and downs each pack as they stand, vs. pulling 2-3 groups and I'm stuck mashing Physick non-stop and rotating my CDs/Lustrates until I'm oom because either the tank isn't rotating their CDs after the initial pull, or the pull was long enough that they ran out of them.

My SCH dps is nothing to scoff at.

that's the problem? there are people who think healers should suck less by being able to heal 3 packs of mobs and DPS while in i150 gear.

[lolwut]

I'm talking pure 60 stuff, mainly Fractal. My War is all 180 (minus second ring), and surviving the pulls hasn't been a problem between the new abilities and abusing the crit bug (rip). It's all about player mindset, and people getting pissy that other people don't want to play exactly like they do.

Wasn't really meant to be a complaint, just saying that tanks get shit all the time for pacing whether it's fast or slow, so I can see why some eventually just do whatever the hell they want.

[Arthars]

due to the large zone size in ishgard, it keeps people from doing fates there and all clustering in N thanalan...

Pls make new zones FATE give like 2 times more XP. those vast lands created just for MSQ and then people all going back to N thanalan is pretty sad..

me being happy with 20kish FATE in north thanalan at lvl 58 is pretty fucked up

[Grey Jorildyn]

Agreed. The zones are far too large for good fate grind and the exp being shit makes it worse. It almost feels like they purposely nerfed new area fates to force ppl through MSQ and DF but by now they should have improved the rewards.

[Gokulo]

I don't want to jinx it but I can totally see S-E 'fixing it' by making lv50 FATES give gimped exp 51+.

[Jem]

I hate the speed running culture even though I've always been able to do it. Bads are going to be bad anyway but I'm sure it doesn't help when they spend the majority of the time AoE'ing shit / keeping hate on large groups of mobs.

Plus it makes people so pissy when the group isn't capable of doing it.

I wish they'd put in more anti-speedrunning measures. Whether it was by having harder hitting mobs or more gates between pulls or giving mobs behavior that didn't allow it.

[Carth]

I'm actually going to say it needs triple if not quadruple of what they currently give. 14800 exp for level 51 onwards is extremely bad.

[Arthars]

I hate the speed running culture even though I've always been able to do it. Bads are going to be bad anyway but I'm sure it doesn't help when they spend the majority of the time AoE'ing shit / keeping hate on large groups of mobs.

Plus it makes people so pissy when the group isn't capable of doing it.

I wish they'd put in more anti-speedrunning measures. Whether it was by having harder hitting mobs or more gates between pulls or giving mobs behavior that didn't allow it.

anti speed running measures will be like a nerf to very good players and speed run pre mades

in a DF setup, it is the tank's responsibility to take note of the jobs, il, and capability of party before he decide to choo choooooo train

if people see first time message, barely enough IL to enter dungeon, and jobs like MNK and DRG as the 2 dps, its common sense to do it slower and pick up the pace if possible

people being nasty cos PT couldnt speed run needs to either not do DF or wake the fuck up. it has nothing to do with dungeon design

keep cool, take a deep breathe, accept watever your fate is when u press "Join" in DF XD

[Carth]

in a DF setup, it is the tank's responsibility to take note of the jobs, il, and capability of party before he decide to choo choooooo train

This is double-edged because this is entirely dependent on if the tank's wants are in sync with what the party wants. Some wants to speedrun, some doesn't. Some people, much like myself, had no idea how a dungeon is like their first time and was months behind the status quo. Not that I do not enjoy speedrunning. I love it actually, but this emphasizes what lolwut was saying when tanks just end up doing what they want because they just want to play the game.

[Buffy]

I'm glad they made FATE exp 51+ be terrible. I think FATEs are a lousy way to gain exp (as in they aren't fun) and I hope they stick to their guns.

What I WOULDN'T mind at all is a modifier for duty finder wait times. So say a DPS waits 40 minutes to get a level 53 dungeon? They get a 300k exp bonus.

Tank gets an instant pop on duty finder? No wait exp bonus.

Keep in mind I don't really have any DPS jobs leveled so this doesn't really affect me in any way.

[Taint]

I'm glad they made FATE exp 51+ be terrible. I think FATEs are a lousy way to gain exp (as in they aren't fun) and I hope they stick to their guns.

What I WOULDN'T mind at all is a modifier for duty finder wait times. So say a DPS waits 40 minutes to get a level 53 dungeon? They get a 300k exp bonus.

Tank gets an instant pop on duty finder? No wait exp bonus.

Keep in mind I don't really have any DPS jobs leveled so this doesn't really affect me in any way.

Multiple methods is the key. FATES make zero sense in their current state. Dungeon spamming gets painful after 10ish runs of the same dungeon.

[Raldo]

How are leves for exp? I don't dare spend them on anything but DoH, but I'm curious now.

[dejet]

I'm glad they made FATE exp 51+ be terrible. I think FATEs are a lousy way to gain exp (as in they aren't fun) and I hope they stick to their guns.

What I WOULDN'T mind at all is a modifier for duty finder wait times. So say a DPS waits 40 minutes to get a level 53 dungeon? They get a 300k exp bonus.

Tank gets an instant pop on duty finder? No wait exp bonus.

Keep in mind I don't really have any DPS jobs leveled so this doesn't really affect me in any way.

As good as that sounds on paper its against the way things work now. Tanks and healers get extra gold/exp because they are in need as it is now around what 20-30k?. If the exp gap was fixed(this way) you would see less healers and tanks.

[Niiro]

How are leves for exp? I don't dare spend them on anything but DoH, but I'm curious now.

Same boat as FATEs in terms of exp given.

[Zeille]

For someone like me, that never used up leve allowances, these temple leves are pretty damn good. Burn 10 allowances, do a fairly quick & mindless leve with my choco, and get 100,000+ exp.

Those things would have gone to waste, but now at least I have a purpose for them.

[Lokus]

I'm really tired of the tanks speed run pulling 2 to 3 packs of trash. I'm playing on my SMN, yea my AoE is better, but I'm still wearing white quest HQ gear, dungeons drops have not been kind. I'm at 58 so I can bust out some painflares, and bane some DT empowered dots, but once I blow all that it's back to ruin spam/DoT upkeep until I can recast aetherflow. Healers going close to oom on pulls like this as well, and the tanks just keep plowing ahead paying no mind to their healers MP

I honestly don't see why you're complaining about multiple add packs, especially as a SMN. Trust me when I say that HQ quest gear is completely fine for melting everything. If you have multiple mobs, you should be doing blizzard II spam instead of ruin anyway.

It honestly annoys me when people play it super safe in these dungeons. Everything can melt if people play their jobs properly, even if your dps is MNK + DRG (DRG AoE is amazing on top of that...). My view must be skewed for the expert dungeons because I still haven't done those in DF, just with my FC.

[Eidle]

My view must be skewed for the expert dungeons because I still haven't done those in DF, just with my FC.

DF tanks doing this, not using CDs well, DF dps not pulling their weight.

I'm fine doing these speed run pulls myself, but sometimes the tanks are not great at gauging the competency of their DF team and when the pulls take a dogs age because the dps is slacking, they still continue to pull like that instead of saying, maybe i should pull less, because it seems my group can't handle it.

My point is im complaining about peoples lack of awareness of their parties competency and makeup.

Also you're violating the sticky,

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