FFXIV Random Complaint Thread II: DPS can't count to potato

[kisada]

god, chrysalis fight shouldn't be this hard.

fucking two gear capped healers can't keep my essentially gear capped war alive. i hit 10% so many times just in phase one you wouldn't believe.

then the healer tells the group only the tanks need to take the falling meteors. all while 3-4 of them are falling at the same time. wtf. was gonna explain to him the error of his math before we vote abandoned.

[Seravi Edalborez]

It's interesting that AST has gone the way of 2.0 SCH; initial impressions are it sucks, then people are like "no wait it's actually kind of ok". Though I think there's still a consensus that Diurnal >>>>>>>>>>> Nocturnal?

[Ratatapa]

It's interesting that AST has gone the way of 2.0 SCH; initial impressions are it sucks, then people are like "no wait it's actually kind of ok". Though I think there's still a consensus that Diurnal >>>>>>>>>>> Nocturnal?

Noct would be much better if you could switch stance imo

[Carth]

Alexander Savage is gonna be fun I bet. Didn't Yoshida mention that healers should probably DPS in there to meet the DPS checks? Because I'm looking at my gear and I don't see any accuracy on it... and I'm missing in level 60 dungeons.
If we don't see any accuracy on newer gear I guess the best team for raids will be AST+SCH.

The lack of accuracy for WHM is really, really baffling if Yoshida is suggesting for WHM to dps. WHM does nice damage but our accuracy is balls ever since they fully neglected it. Makes me wish they just added a Accuracy buff to Cleric Stance like they did the tank stances, or just make it a trait instead of giving us that shitty Enhanced Medica/even shittier Quick Stoneskin trait.

[Niiro]

If they just removed the initial damage from the Aero line of spells they'd be on much more similar footing with SCH and AST, but still a bit behind simply because the net potency on Aero is less than Bio/Combust.

[lolwut]

I could be remembering this wrong, but I thought Yoshi said that they were aware that healer dps was required for world first/under geared kills but that additional dps is not used in the balancing of instances?

[Destinye]

I could be remembering this wrong, but I thought Yoshi said that they were aware that healer dps was required for world first/under geared kills but that additional dps is not used in the balancing of instances?

He said 2.x content didn't account for/balanced around healer DPS but 3.x will take it into consideration.

[Elcura]

It's interesting that AST has gone the way of 2.0 SCH; initial impressions are it sucks, then people are like "no wait it's actually kind of ok". Though I think there's still a consensus that Diurnal >>>>>>>>>>> Nocturnal?

I thought it would, and while Diurnal is more MP efficient, I wouldn't say it was stronger but for general use a lot better. If you have a WHM double regen can only help so much anyway in which case Noct would be far and away better (like getting 1 shot and being undergeared).

Noct seems more situational and Diurnal is a lot more solid. I dunno why but I see PFs denying ASTs lol,

[Niiro]

Wanted to make a Wootz Fausse for glamour but I never bothered to get the book for BSM, and the price of Field IIIs has like doubled since people don't make them as much anymore.

Also am I missing something or is there no FC chest in all of Ishgard?

[lolwut]

He said 2.x content didn't account for/balanced around healer DPS but 3.x will take it into consideration.

Found it, relevant portions in bold.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/125...dia-Event-5-19)

At one point it was decided that Holy was too strong for white mage and it was weakened. Despite that, you're adding additional attack actions besides Holy, were these new abilities added to give some of that capability back?

Yoshida: No, that's not it.


So you expect it to go up overall?

Yoshida: Yes. Since all DPS jobs will be increasing up through level 60, it makes sense to have the white mage's DPS extend by a proportional amount as well. For development, such as with Bahamut's Coils, the development team assumes what the item level should be for general equipment on players when they clear a raid. They sum up the basic DPS for four DPS and tanks at that assumed item level and cut that by about 10-15% for the minimum clear DPS. Healer DPS is not taken into account when this is set.

Certainly for people who are at world's first level, their goal is to clear it at as low an item level as possible, lower than the one assumed during development. So if you look at the fight and figure out that if it's not numerically possible to clear with four DPS and tanks, you'll need to make up the gap with DPS from healers. Then when those publish clear videos and other people see the healers DPSing, they might think that healers need to be DPSing even though its a situation that only arose because their clear would have otherwise been impossible. While we could take this into account, and assume a different item level in the next update which would then make it impossible to clear even with the healer DPS, we'd eliminate this type of play for highly skilled players who use communication, items, and a high level of understanding to come up with those last second clears. That would be a tough decision to make, so I still think it should be up to each party's own plans.

This is also one of the reasons we decided to implement both a normal and savage version of Alexander. Once again, healer DPS was not included in the development team's calculation as it was for other jobs, so you should just think of healer DPS as a last way to get your overall party's DPS up to where it needs to be.

Unless there was a later interview contradicting this that I missed, it doesn't appear 3.x is tuned to require healer dps.

[layoneil]

Also am I missing something or is there no FC chest in all of Ishgard?

if there is i haven't found it.

[Raldo]

Probably because, for lore purposes, the GCs are not represented in Ishgard.

Inconvenient, but not entirely unexpected.

[Silenka]

I thought it would, and while Diurnal is more MP efficient, I wouldn't say it was stronger but for general use a lot better. If you have a WHM double regen can only help so much anyway in which case Noct would be far and away better (like getting 1 shot and being undergeared).

Noct seems more situational and Diurnal is a lot more solid. I dunno why but I see PFs denying ASTs lol,

Nocturnal is definitely situational. While leveling, the most use I've gotten out of it in dungeons is the T-rex boss in Sohm Al, where it seems a bit better when you have slow dps that can't kill the green slime in time... /sigh
I can see it being more useful in combination with a WHM than an AST by itself, however.

As for why people are locking AST out, maybe there's a stigma so far. People bandwagoning on new jobs makes it easy to see a lot of bad AST on the way up to 60, which may give people the impression AST is weak. It sure is a harder job to play than WHM, and I've already run into a few high lv AST who don't really know how to play it =/

[Arthars]

all the new jobs.... so troublesome to play and shitty

however, it also means inc boost, so not sure if random complain or praise

[BadKarma]

The thought of taking my 50jobs to 51 without the new dungeons is making me butthurt.

[Kiarax]

The though of taking my 50jobs to 51 without the new dungeons is making me butthurt.

Do your daily hunts on them, real easy to get them to 51 that way, especially if you can rope a friend to help you kill shit faster (some of the level 57+ mobs can be a pain at level 50 depending on class).

[Niiro]

Do N.than FATEs*

[Kiarax]

If you hate yourself, sure, that works too.

[BadKarma]

If you hate yourself, sure, that works too.

I cut my wrists and black my eyes

[cute]

My chocobo flys slow at time.