FFXIV Random Complaint Thread II: DPS can't count to potato

[Detzu]

I'd like you to highlight where I said anything like that please.

You don't need to say that explicitly. The simple fact to be afraid of people bullying DPS is enough.
Tanks and healers are always bullied, DPS can hide their mediocrity or their lack of knowledge if there's no parse going on.
Why should they be protected when they are also involved (and maybe the main cause) in the wipe fest?
The idea is to add a parser in game and a kind of tutorial that allow people to train.

[Deuce]

Your tears are delicious, if you're looking at your scripts to save for the gear to upgrade you're doing it all wrong my friend. So. Very. Wrong.

lol, I'm not saving for the unmeldable shit and the system is still pretty fucking bad. If you're unable to comprehend what is wrong with it then I don't know what to tell you.

[Shenrien]

What's wrong with it? You have to grind crafts and gathering items to get the materials to make the gear rather farm dungeons endlessly for tokens to buy the items or buy them off the marketboard(still an option). The concept of having to gather and craft your way to getting the gear rather farm endless boring dungeons is a lot better. Perhaps if you failed to prepare for it and actually cared to get all your crafts & gathering to 60, meld them out and unlock all folklore tomes, and mastery books I'd probably feel like crying as well.

The only thing I dislike about it is if you don't have fishing, you're going to spend a lot longer capping out if you only have botany and miner. The points are a tad low but not so terrible that it's a nightmare to grind, use CUL to get all your red craft scripts. But I only dislike this because 3 of my characters lack fishing to 60 because I got lazy.

[Ratatapa]

Your tears are delicious, if you're looking at your scripts to save for the gear to upgrade you're doing it all wrong my friend. So. Very. Wrong.

That's not the real issue, people are mostly mad about gating classes that has almost 0 impact to the game.

Why does it matter if a crafter can make the latest type,of food today or potions?


If you could make Exemple i230 crafting gear now, I would understand more gating.

But as for now, I just don't see the reason

[FHT]

You don't need to say that explicitly. The simple fact to be afraid of people bullying DPS is enough.
Tanks and healers are always bullied, DPS can hide their mediocrity or their lack of knowledge if there's no parse going on.
Why should they be protected when they are also involved (and maybe the main cause) in the wipe fest?
The idea is to add a parser in game and a kind of tutorial that allow people to train.

I like how you tell that to someone maining DRK only. Point being: I know all of this since I started from scratch as MRD on a Legacy server, with people outgearing me badly. The main point also being: Lets not give the kids more grenades to throw at each others, cause as you pointed it so well, tank & healer already take the shit. Its not about everyone taking the shit equaly, its about no one taking shit anymore. I am not afraid of ppl bullying DPS, I couldn't give two rat ass about it, what I am afraid of is another bad mentality to become a norm, because every patch you alway have a rageing nerd to promote something stupid as a norm.

[Gokulo]

its about no one taking shit anymore

As if that would ever happen.
I'd rather everyone had grenades than only some.

[enzan]

Why do they waste time with so called PvP content? I haven't been able to get into a PvP match of any kind since coming back. I thought the new arena and new tomes as reward might cut down the queue times, but no it still takes over an two hours for anything to pop. I would like the option to kill players every one in a while for tomes instead of the same dungeon over and over.

[Taint]

Why do they waste time with so called PvP content? I haven't been able to get into a PvP match of any kind since coming back. I thought the new arena and new tomes as reward might cut down the queue times, but no it still takes over an two hours for anything to pop. I would like the option to kill players every one in a while for tomes instead of the same dungeon over and over.

Its your GC. I'm getting sub 5min Queue times as a Flame. While Maelstrom players are talking about waiting 1-2 hours.

I really want to swap back to Mael (rank 37) but the new zone is fun and on Flames its a very fast source of tomes.


As stated 10000x the GC restriction is the PvP restriction. Take it away and PvP as a whole will be much more enjoyable.

[FHT]

As if that would ever happen.
I'd rather everyone had grenades than only some.

I know right, I believe SE is trying to do an ok job there tho.

[Twilight Sky]

Bismarck EX learning party - i180

Ravana EX farm party - i170

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Don't forget, no 100 law, and have to already know the fight. In a learning party.

=)

I'm all in support for in-game parsers...

But this is the face I have whenever I read people "only want it to better themselves and not bully others."

But you know it will happen. Now for BLMs. I can tell right away their DPS will be lower than mine, because I've seen some use some really weird rotations((opening with Thunder III, nice you just screwed yourself out 1414MP and a Fire 1.). And my favorite, casting Blizzard more than twice after Blizzard III). For DRGs, MNKs and NINs, positions... MCHs have their own problems no matter how well they play it. SMNs destroy BLMs easy but I've seen at least one that didn't know what he was doing. It should be used to help people with rotations, not make them feel like shit. Some people really don't read the OF boards or even come here, don't ask questions, and just do their own thing, not even knowing they aren't playing at full potential.

Unfortunately, there's the ones you can't help though. The ones that wanna jump on their high horse and slap you with the "don't tell me how to do my job".

On tanks and healers being bullied. Haven't seen it yet but I've seen some angry tanks.

[FHT]

It should be used to help people with rotations, not make them feel like shit.

Thats what SE is afraid of, and it was my original point before Detzu misunderstood it.

On tanks and healers being bullied. Haven't seen it yet but I've seen some angry tanks.

It does happen alot but ppl don't obviously sees it. Its way more easy to spot a Tank/Healer mistake than a DPS mistake, a good example could be in BEX P3 where the healers are asked to deal with the Dragonkillers or the tank to not go in the middle during rain phase, if they fail to do it right everyone will notice it, whereas if the add(s) is/are not killed fast enough the tanks will generaly finish it/them off quietly while everyone goes on with Corona.

Of course you will have bitchy tanks/healers, it does happen, but in such situation where timing is crucial they generaly don't have time to say alot.

[dejet]

Easy fix for the add on crap in game. Only allow the phrase api to be used when in a pre made group. Df and shit can stay all clean as noob friendly as always.

[Churchill]

Except on JP servers, pre-mades for for the shitlords.

Edit: Someone mentioned before that people on the internet are basically opposed to any criticism or authority, take everything personally, etc, but it's not far from the mark. There's a lot of narcissism and that's why you see the "I play how I want" types. There are those of us who would never join a group without having done some basic research first, but that's definitely not the norm. Japanese people are sort of the inverse spectrum, where being unprepared would be extremely disrespectful.

[Ragns]

Sonomaa: In the 2.0 PDFs, addons were highlighted as something you want to see happen. Tanaka said the same about addons early in XIV's development but we never saw anything come out from it. Will you be releasing a developer kit to help create new addons for the game and show you're fully supported in evaluating and balancing addons? I know one of the most asked ones is a parser for people who like to min/max their damage, and just customizing the screen to look more like what players want.

Yoshi-P: Rather than XML or LUA, like World of Warcraft is using, we're thinking of provide this in Flash simply to make it more visual. We'll be preparing a dev kit and providing that with help for the players. Once we get closer to the release of the dev kit (before it's even released), we will talk to the community and show what we have planned to put in it - UI engine, what we're providing - and then we can get feedback. So you could say, "This is not going to be enough, we need this," so we can get that feedback and get as close to what the community wants as possible.

Ragns: When should we be expecting to see this?

Yoshi-P: We could start now, but we're using SQWT and the situation is that it's such a mess that it's something that players would not be able to work well with. We want to streamline things to make it easy for players so we can get the best addons from the players. We feel that this is going to come with the release of 2.0. So we hope to have stuff ready about the same time.

And we were never able to contact SE ever again...

[Semjax]

It really grinds my gears to see these last names:

Farron, Highwind, Strife, Lockhart, Cole, and Tribal.

Like seriously can you not be more original then that? That you can't come up with something of your own, rather then stealing it from already better and more popular characters then yours?

Remember this? Well this exact thing wound up revealing to me something else I -really- hate.

I was in a dungeon with a dude named 'Besaid Auroch' (Real Original, asshole)

The guy was a PGL, and thought he could tank the entire dungeon on his own without me (The MRD) actually pulling, So he'd pull -every- freaking mob before I was ready.

To differentiate this complaint with the quote, I hate the DPS who think they can literally Pull Mobs before the tank is ready, its stupid, makes it harder on -everyone- else, and is just plain annoying.

Do that to me, and I let you die. ... Like I did the Besaid Auroch

[Gokulo]

What do you mean by being ready to pull mobs though?

[Semjax]

What do you mean by being ready to pull mobs though?

I'm level 24, I don't have all the luxuries of a WAR just yet, being Defiance and so on.

As such my TP Tends to get really, really low, especially when I'm playing with Jobs that consistently steal agro.

When my TP is low, and I'm trying to type out 'waiting for TP' only for this guy to run forward and pull the mob before I can even get 'Wai-' typed out...

That is really annoying.

[FHT]

I'm level 24, I don't have all the luxuries of a WAR just yet, being Defiance and so on.

As such my TP Tends to get really, really low, especially when I'm playing with Jobs that consistently steal agro.

When my TP is low, and I'm trying to type out 'waiting for TP' only for this guy to run forward and pull the mob before I can even get 'Wai-' typed out...

That is really annoying.

Since you will not get Butcher Block until Lv 30 Id suggest you to just do 2 Overpowers on packs, and rotate single targets. But I know where you're coming from, I hated Low Lv roulette on Tank just because I knew that I'd get something like Tam-Tara and the hate can easily be stolen there by any LNC/ARC with Lv15 gears..

But yes if ppl want to rush you, let them rush ahead & eat the dirt.

[Karbuncle]

What's wrong with it? You have to grind crafts and gathering items to get the materials to make the gear rather farm dungeons endlessly for tokens to buy the items or buy them off the marketboard(still an option). The concept of having to gather and craft your way to getting the gear rather farm endless boring dungeons is a lot better. Perhaps if you failed to prepare for it and actually cared to get all your crafts & gathering to 60, meld them out and unlock all folklore tomes, and mastery books I'd probably feel like crying as well.

The only thing I dislike about it is if you don't have fishing, you're going to spend a lot longer capping out if you only have botany and miner. The points are a tad low but not so terrible that it's a nightmare to grind, use CUL to get all your red craft scripts. But I only dislike this because 3 of my characters lack fishing to 60 because I got lazy.

I think this post on the Official forums explained it kinda well.

Imagine this.

You have your weekly 450 esoteric tomes right?

Now, imagine you only get 20 of them each time you kill the final boss ONLY on expert roulette. So you have to run dungeons about 15-16 times. There is no other way to get esoterics than this.

Now, your esoterics CAN`T be traded for gear right away, but instead, tokens, 50 tomes each token, and then you trade those for gear, 26 tokens the weapon, 18 armor, 9 head and hands, 7 feet and legs, 2 the accesories. OR you can use 450 tokens to pay your entrance, to savage mode.

Also, if you want to get esoteric tomes, you need to use law tomes (only got by dungeons too) to buy "favors" and have a small window on where you have to get into the right dungeon via roulette or you won`t get any esoteric.

Sounds like fun? Well, Thats the red script system

Corrected a few misspellings. Essentially the whole system is needlessly complex and gated for what is ultimately completely pointless since outside of Alchemy and Cooking (Oh fuck is this XI again?) every craft is worthless in endgame thanks to SE's logic of wanting crafting classes but not actually wanting them to be useful in any way past crafting I guess tools for other classes so the cycle of "Crafting gear for crafters to craft better gear for crafters" can go on....?

Plus the worst part is, the casuals who would not be able to adequately farm Law gear for their jobs are probably not going to have the gil to pay for the crafted gear since you know it will be even more expensive now, and since the only real market for that stuff before 3.0 was for the hard-core raiders who wanted every edge they could get in new content (or the one-off vanity folk), the market isn't going to be too bright for anyone, even if you sat through this insanely gated grind.

I'm all for adding more challenging content to the game but this was not the way, this isn't challenge... its arbitrary wait times to simulate "challenge".

It feels like this system was designed for a time when they were going to let Crafters make I.lv 220~230 gear, but then decided they didn't want that to happen but kept the old incredibly restricting system in place for no logical purpose.

[Qeomash]

Late to the bad name bingo game, but this exists: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/2317208/