FFXIV Random Complaint Thread II: DPS can't count to potato

[Dotsudoku]

I'm level 24, I don't have all the luxuries of a WAR just yet, being Defiance and so on.

As such my TP Tends to get really, really low, especially when I'm playing with Jobs that consistently steal agro.

When my TP is low, and I'm trying to type out 'waiting for TP' only for this guy to run forward and pull the mob before I can even get 'Wai-' typed out...

That is really annoying.

Lets also keep in mind that before tank stances, all melee can hold their own for quite a while before resources become an issue. When I'm on super low level dungeons with PLD, for instance, I very rarely bother with Flash. I do my best to cycle my enmity combo around a pack and keep hate on what I keep hate on. Nobody's ever in the slightest bit of danger, and I don't waste GCDs spamming something that does nothing to speed up the run.

And on that note, when I play a low level healer, I'll even go as far as to try to pull most things myself(not ahead of the group, mind you- literally just getting the first action in by less than a second). This allows me to take the first hit or two, which I know I'll recover from idly, while keeping my tank from taking more damage that would have otherwise prevented me from DPSing as long.

Obviously these things become less and less practical as the levels climb, and the former is pretty much a PLD-exclusive issue(why they won't give us an Overwhelm/Unleash equiv I don't know), but I still take full advantage of the latter and similar tactics. I've found it particularly useful leveling 50-60 AST, which I feel has a considerably minor safety net to fall on when your tank is dropping quickly. Stand with the group on pulls, drop several immediate Gravity casts, and take a few very controlled hits from everything before your tank starts dropping their own health and forcing you to come out of Cleric's.

[Semjax]

Lets also keep in mind that before tank stances, all melee can hold their own for quite a while before resources become an issue. When I'm on super low level dungeons with PLD, for instance, I very rarely bother with Flash. I do my best to cycle my enmity combo around a pack and keep hate on what I keep hate on. Nobody's ever in the slightest bit of danger, and I don't waste GCDs spamming something that does nothing to speed up the run.

The issue is normally that they can't -keep- the Agro, and I can't steal it back because they don't let me, as such suddenly the healer is being attacked by the others cause they don't have Crowd Control (Unless its like BLM).

So everyone starts to panic, the healer runs around in circles and it -wastes- time.

[Silenka]

Honestly with how un-fun and tedious blue and red scrip gathering is, I don't find it worth it to do and I probably won't even bother. I do want the regional folklore books and I might end up doing those once I grab melded gear but otherwise fuck it.

I wouldn't compare it to gathering tomestones, which is like a few dungeons a week to cap. Even though it's still kiiind of a grind, it's a much easier and shorter one. Plus, doing dungeons can be fun (although still repetitive) depending on the people you're with and the job you're playing. Gathering and crafting, those don't really change and it's nearly impossible to inject "fun" into straight hitting a node or pressing craft buttons for hours on end. And all that just to get gear for near pointless classes because crafting is, as everyone has pointed out, near pointless. Really, they fucked up so bad with this scrip shit I hope very few people bother with it so SE sees they have some serious rethinking to do. FUN, please, it's supposed to be a game, not a creative Asian torture method.

[Dotsudoku]

The issue is normally that they can't -keep- the Agro, and I can't steal it back because they don't let me, as such suddenly the healer is being attacked by the others cause they don't have Crowd Control (Unless its like BLM).

So everyone starts to panic, the healer runs around in circles and it -wastes- time.

Point taken. It's not always as fluid as I make it sound, because tanks are tanks and healers heal and blah blah being flexible is hard. Most of the time that can be avoided by communication.

[Semjax]

Point taken. It's not always as fluid as I make it sound, because tanks are tanks and healers heal and blah blah being flexible is hard. Most of the time that can be avoided by communication.

This is true, and in a premade communication may work well, but there are Pugs who ignore chat and such, while it is a rare problem for a pug to ignore the chat, it does happen.

I do try to communicate when I can though.

[FHT]

Honestly with how un-fun and tedious blue and red scrip gathering is, I don't find it worth it to do and I probably won't even bother. I do want the regional folklore books and I might end up doing those once I grab melded gear but otherwise fuck it.

I wouldn't compare it to gathering tomestones, which is like a few dungeons a week to cap. Even though it's still kiiind of a grind, it's a much easier and shorter one. Plus, doing dungeons can be fun (although still repetitive) depending on the people you're with and the job you're playing. Gathering and crafting, those don't really change and it's nearly impossible to inject "fun" into straight hitting a node or pressing craft buttons for hours on end. And all that just to get gear for near pointless classes because crafting is, as everyone has pointed out, near pointless. Really, they fucked up so bad with this scrip shit I hope very few people bother with it so SE sees they have some serious rethinking to do. FUN, please, it's supposed to be a game, not a creative Asian torture method.

I'd be really surprised if SE keep DoL/DoH things the way they are, but on the other hand I am also expecting them to completely ignore complaints in the same fashion as they ignored the atma drop rate complaints.
The way it goes, I am really really worried for the new relics.

[Grey Jorildyn]

I'm kinda hoping the new relic has some sort of trade-in feature where no matter what stage you were at you can get at least the base weapon, but the farther along you were the closer you are to the next stage.

[Eidle]

i wish that i could do all the other roulette besides expert and get law/eso's on jobs that weren't 60. to clarify, I wish that once you got a job to 60, you could do trial/leveling/high-level roulettes and get the same tome rewards as if you did it on your lvl 60. I want to do roulettes on other jobs to get the exp bonus, but the first time i have to do it on my 60 job or i forfeit the tome bonuses.

the expert roulette i'm fine with.

[Niiro]

Half the server is the same Au Ra female and it's starting to get really old.

[Carth]

Wearing the same pajamas too.

[Destinye]

Wearing the same pajamas too.

It's ironic too, for all the bullshit people bring up about "over sexualization of women" and "stop showing skin" on the official forums, not a single complaint about the au'ra female lingerie in multiple 30-100 page bawfest topics.

[Niiro]

They intentionally designed Au Ra females to be so overly sexualized you might as well shout at the tides to turn back.

[Destinye]

They intentionally designed Au Ra females to be so overly sexualized you might as well shout at the tides to turn back.

Never stopped em from complaining before though lol.

On a different note, after all this time you'd think DPS would know better to stop spanking mobs solo then being surprised/pissed off when the healer only heals the tank. I have BRD leveled but am I missing something that the game teaches DRG/MNK/NINs through their leveling to ignore the marked mob/what everyone else is focusing down?

[Churchill]

Probably due to how laughable marking mobs in dungeons is.

[Greedouw]

75 minutes on my 30 min PVP queue time

GG

[Seravi Edalborez]

Never stopped em from complaining before though lol.

On a different note, after all this time you'd think DPS would know better to stop spanking mobs solo then being surprised/pissed off when the healer only heals the tank. I have BRD leveled but am I missing something that the game teaches DRG/MNK/NINs through their leveling to ignore the marked mob/what everyone else is focusing down?

There is pretty much 3 classifications of dungeons.

15-30: Shit tickles, who cares who it's hitting. Tank is just a beefy DPS. If they can secure hate it's just a bonus.
30-mid40s: AoE is still shaky for a lot of classes, but tank should be able to keep hate on everything. This is probably the only range where hate "matters", aside from huge gear gaps in the below category.
Mid40s-60: AoE all that shit down.

As a tank: if I don't have hate on everything it's my own fault. Letting someone die to "teach them a lesson" is a waste of my own time. They don't learn, why should I bother trying?
As a healer: refusing to do my job (healing + DPS) and letting someone die to "teach them a lesson" is a waste of my own time.
As a DPS: hit all the things.

[solracht]

Probably due to how laughable marking mobs in dungeons is.

+1

[Lucavi]

Who the fuck marks in dungeons now? Pull at least 2 groups, bunch it, burn it, keep going.

[Semjax]

Never stopped em from complaining before though lol.

On a different note, after all this time you'd think DPS would know better to stop spanking mobs solo then being surprised/pissed off when the healer only heals the tank. I have BRD leveled but am I missing something that the game teaches DRG/MNK/NINs through their leveling to ignore the marked mob/what everyone else is focusing down?

Probably due to how laughable marking mobs in dungeons is.

Who the fuck marks in dungeons now? Pull at least 2 groups, bunch it, burn it, keep going.

Hey I still Mark dungeons.

Surprisingly it does pretty damn well to focus fire when you don't have a ton of AOE fighters, in my experience it tends to go quite a bit faster.

[Churchill]

It doesn't go any faster to all kill one mob vs. all kill separate mobs. The DPS is the same.