FFXIV Random Complaint Thread II: DPS can't count to potato

[Destinye]

I kind of expect them to drop the ball on Relics because Yoshi said it's basically going to be like the 2x relic quest..which means it'll essentially be 'handed' to you..so it definitely won't beat out or come close to current weapons/future ones in 3.1 simply to keep tradition.

If he happens to break that tradition though..good.

[Niiro]

By the time the patch actually gets here handing people i200/i205 weapons won't mean much.

[Destinye]

Specially when you can go on an airship and get an aetherial weapon that's superior from a gold chest.

[Ratatapa]

It's good that they try some horizontal gear, but when there's only 2-3 offstats that Mather, it doesn't mean much

[Kaisha]

It's good that they try some horizontal gear, but when there's only 2-3 offstats that Mather, it doesn't mean much

Just means less grinding to get the optimal RNG stats you want, unlike say, FFXI's billion possible stats it could augment on Adoulin gear of varying +X ranges.

Also depends how gated this shit is, since god knows the casuals in the FC will cry if shit gets prioritized to the folks doing Savage who could actually make use of said gear.

[Deuce]

I kind of expect them to drop the ball on Relics because Yoshi said it's basically going to be like the 2x relic quest..which means it'll essentially be 'handed' to you..so it definitely won't beat out or come close to current weapons/future ones in 3.1 simply to keep tradition.

If he happens to break that tradition though..good.

I still don't understand why the relic quest after the first stage didn't have any instance battles specifically added for it such as Hydra and Chimera. Those fights weren't too difficult but they were fun and challenging to do with PUGs when the game was first out.

Oh well, you'll probably just be told to grind dungeons ad nauseum for random key item drops.

[FHT]

I kind of expect them to drop the ball on Relics because Yoshi said it's basically going to be like the 2x relic quest..which means it'll essentially be 'handed' to you..so it definitely won't beat out or come close to current weapons/future ones in 3.1 simply to keep tradition.

If he happens to break that tradition though..good.

What if by that he meant we're going to be melding materias again, but Tier V instead? Which would make the cost incredible if not near similar to XI relic.

It's good that they try some horizontal gear, but when there's only 2-3 offstats that Mather, it doesn't mean much

At this point i'd take anything new and out of the 2 years old formula.

I still don't understand why the relic quest after the first stage didn't have any instance battles specifically added for it such as Hydra and Chimera.

Or an item that drop in EX primals such as the HM battle phase of early 2.0 relics, with unsync it shouldn't be too hard to do it for the old primals, and it would give a good reason to do BEX/REX.

[layoneil]

I still don't understand why the relic quest after the first stage didn't have any instance battles specifically added for it such as Hydra and Chimera.

that's the easiest thing in the world to understand. development costs.

but they can do that and be cheap about it too. they need to reuse The Hydra arena and just stick slightly modified S Ranks in there for Full Parties.

[Destinye]

that's the easiest thing in the world to understand. development costs.

but they can do that and be cheap about it too. they need to reuse The Hydra arena and just stick slightly modified S Ranks in there for Full Parties.

They keep blowing their budget on glamor and Minion RTS, since that's what the people who bring in the most money wants. This is why, despite personal feelings for it...I liked Tanaka/Matsui's design for the 'ultimate weapons', just not some of the values. For example everything relating to Relics and Mythics were designed specifically for it aside a few things (Ground kings were just expected by that point) and when Empyreans came out..the entire NM hierarchy was designed for your armor and weapon progression.

Even in DQX (something yoshi was a lead design for) it seems a bit "more" goes into certain things despite it's also simplistic nature.

[Yelta]

Mr

Won't press new buttons and Guess I'll just have BRD and MCH as DPS.

Tells a tale:

I think they kicked me because they thought I was trolling. They had a discussion about how one of them liked MCH, and I said "Wait until gauss barrel, and question how slow the job gets." Someone rebuttled saying "You need to know when to use gauss barrel or not." I disagreed, it's a stance, and it's meant to be kept on or not.

[Destinye]

Since not an OF topic: http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.htm...70874226994141, I get being happy about this but like..the whole "I don't play a lot, I should still be able to be on top even if I don't want to do "hard content"" argument always makes me wonder.

Like..why do you want the top gear if you're going to be beating on the equivillent of a level 1 squirrel outside of gridania?

[Hiryo]

TIL allakhazam was still around. Props to whoever's been keeping that site up and running for, what, almost 20 years?

[Destinye]

TIL allakhazam was still around. Props to whoever's been keeping that site up and running for, what, almost 20 years?

Yeah, most people moved on but it does still seem kicking. It was back during the whole Killing Ifrit/FFVault/FFOnline/Zam "war" (with BG being the "selective" forum.) Dunno about the other pages, but Tera/XI/XIV's side still seemed lively for a bit.

[Neon_Sea]

Well people just want progression, it is severely lacking once you hit 60. A lot of people don't really want to do Savage right now but still want a sense of their character getting stronger better gear.

[Taint]

Well people just want progression, it is severely lacking once you hit 60. A lot of people don't really want to do Savage right now but still want a sense of their character getting stronger better gear.

This is exactly it and most players are now hitting the i200 wall or are very close to it. The problem is due to lack of content they will be stuck on the same wall for another 6 weeks which is not good.

[Destinye]

This is exactly it and most players are now hitting the i200 wall or are very close to it. The problem is due to lack of content they will be stuck on the same wall for another 6 weeks which is not good.

That's what kind of makes me happy though. it's let the "yoshi can do no wrong" crowd see there's actual problems. At least we get our Minion RTS though...right?

[Carth]

That's what kind of makes me happy though. it's let the "yoshi can do no wrong" crowd see there's actual problems. At least we get our Minion RTS though...right?

IMO this only really affects the people who care about progressing, which is much smaller than one would think. The majority of our playerbase is fine with being crafter/gatherers or farming ponies/achievements. That's where "there's a lot to do in this game" comes from.

[Niiro]

I've made this complaint multiple times before but why not:

Non-radial AoE skills need to be fixed in their use.

Simply put: they should not require a target to use and their effective area should be based solely on player position and the stated range/radius in the description.

Trying to aim Doomspike and Rockbreaker properly so they hit a group of mobs is an exercise in frustration if they aren't arranged just right and you frequently have to move out of melee range (and thus lose damage) to do it, nvm if the mobs are doing AoEs and the tank has to dodge and the fuckers are constantly moving and shifting.

The dumbest thing about how they currently work is if you target an enemy close to you and use it the effective range isn't even taken into account:

[PC]---[1]-[2]-[3]-[4]-[5]

If you use Doomspike on target 5 it will hit all the targets, if you use it on target 1 it will hit 1 and maybe 2.

What fucking sense does that make?

The PLD PvP skill Glory Slash already works the way all of these skills should (doesn't require a target) so it's not like they can't do it either.

[Destinye]

IMO this only really affects the people who care about progressing, which is much smaller than one would think. The majority of our playerbase is fine with being crafter/gatherers or farming ponies/achievements. That's where "there's a lot to do in this game" comes from.

Yep. Then when they exhaust that they'll ask for more non progressive type content and bitch at people who actually like to do progression type content and say "this game ain't for you."

The PLD PvP skill Glory Slash already works the way all of these skills should (doesn't require a target) so it's not like they can't do it either.

Heh. This is the funniest thing about some balancing problems in this game.

[Kaisha]

If you use Doomspike on target 5 it will hit all the targets, if you use it on target 1 it will hit 1 and maybe 2.

What fucking sense does that make?

I had to check this with training dummies. I discovered that despite the skill having a 10 yalm range from 'your' position, it's reach is somewhere more around 9 yalm regardless of the current target being in range of getting hit, so you can technically blow 160tp and not hit the actual selected target.

I might file this under the OF for bug. Probably not taking enemy size scale into account for their hurtbox or something.