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    Quote Originally Posted by ebil View Post
    Every piece of caster gear is shared before lv50 with both MND and INT on it, except AF. There is no INT only left side piece before lv 50 that isn't job specific. I don't doubt your AST sucked but this isn't the reason why they did.
    I do doubt the AST sucked. Missing earrings isn't the biggest sin and I just doublechecked, went in there minimum ilvl undersized party, physick does 400~. Just FHT being FHT. Even counting convalescence (so his heals were 320ish?), there's certainly enough wiggle room to get thru lowbie dungeons without your healer being maxed out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistaire View Post
    I do doubt the AST sucked. Missing earrings isn't the biggest sin and I just doublechecked, went in there minimum ilvl undersized party, physick does 400~. Just FHT being FHT. Even counting convalescence (so his heals were 320ish?), there's certainly enough wiggle room to get thru lowbie dungeons without your healer being maxed out.
    Or maybe you can read again the comment stating that he didn't know what to do on the last boss, died on the 1st Ram/Dragon voice up to 7 times thus leaving us with no heal & to die. But I guess I could be as smart as you are (because you are apparently!) and say that its you being you & unable to read.

    Also, more MND would have contributed to a bettter healing over the course of the dungeon, compared to somes crappy Lv9 NQ INT rings & NQ Lv20 Fang Necklace.

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    Speaking of shit players (and people who can't read) I had 2 of the worst DPS in a Stone Vigil run. The SMN was using Titan initially, but seemed receptive to advice when the healer asked him to switch to Ifrit/Garuda because he did. But after that obvious blunder we noticed not only was the SMN baning with only 1 target around, they'd bane with no DOTs on at all. The only thing they used was Miasma, and they would Fester that occasionally. Healer explains how to SMN, but that doesn't matter because this fucker would rather just spam Ruin than actually do something useful.

    NIN was awful as well, and hugged the front of mobs despite getting cleaved at every opportunity. Tell him to avoid monster front but he doesn't listen until he dies and I laugh at him. Get to 2nd boss, things don't get better and despite our advice they don't say a thing so we just leave after we beat it.

    Haven't seen DPS that bad in a while and I can't be fucked to do dungeons where my tank in tank stance is top DPS.

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    Still learning how to heal through Texas size pulls. But tank...you did not have to pull every single fucking thing to the first locked door in wandered palace. What. The. Fuck. And two wipes just didn't tell ya I CANT HEAL THROUGH IT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twilight Sky View Post
    Still learning how to heal through Texas size pulls. But tank...you did not have to pull every single fucking thing to the first locked door in wandered palace. What. The. Fuck. And two wipes just didn't tell ya I CANT HEAL THROUGH IT.
    If he did twice the same pull that also means that he didn't use cooldowns.

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    Also if you're not already doing it there's no shame in burning all your CDs on a massive trash pull, they're way more useful there than on bosses anyway. I think a lot of healers initially have this mentality of "saving" their CDs for emergencies but huge trash packs are as close to an emergency as you're likely gonna get. But it's equally on the tank to be using their CDs. If one of the two, tank or healer, isn't doing that, big pulls can get ugly quick.

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    The only CD I "save" would be Shroud of Saints, and I use that when I drop below 30% MP. Medica II makes for some ridiculous MP management, and even when I'm dpsing, I'm often sitting over 60% of my MP lol.

    The issue was she was taking damage in transit and not a damn thing I can do(regen = aggro. Stoneskin = aggro). SMN used E4E on her too. Stopping to cast cure II didn't help since she runs out of range. When she finally stops I have only a split second and she's dead.

    MANAGEABLE big pulls, I always use DS+Pom+Cure II spam, with SC+Holy and then holy spam if possible.

    I will admit though there have been times I just can't heal a tank through even if they do things correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twilight Sky View Post
    The issue was she was taking damage in transit and not a damn thing I can do(regen = aggro. Stoneskin = aggro). SMN used E4E on her too. Stopping to cast cure II didn't help since she runs out of range. When she finally stops I have only a split second and she's dead.
    Only true if your tank is lazy or shit. Generally a tank should at least tag everything in a pull at least once (more annoying for WAR, but DRK and PLD should have no trouble), that way the healer doesn't fuck up the pull doing stuff to them and the tank doesn't have to risk death before even getting to the end.

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    I think a healer shouldn't be afraid to some hate either in a pull. It's only a problem when it's more than 3 mobs mobbing you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elcura View Post
    Only true if your tank is lazy or shit. Generally a tank should at least tag everything in a pull at least once (more annoying for WAR, but DRK and PLD should have no trouble), that way the healer doesn't fuck up the pull doing stuff to them and the tank doesn't have to risk death before even getting to the end.
    Unless you get those regen/medica II happy WHM who simply must have some kind of regen effect on everyone during pulls for whatever reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twilight Sky View Post
    The only CD I "save" would be Shroud of Saints, and I use that when I drop below 30% MP.
    I'd use it or the AST's equivalent at 80%. The sooner you use Shroud of Saints the sooner its back up. And if you're doing a large trash pull and spamming your tier 2 healing spells you'll probably get the bang for your buck. Otherwise good advice. Also make use of any dots while Divine Seal is up. The enhance potency will affect those spells making them stronger (And make the tank require less heals). Holy is also a good skill to give yourself some breathing room (Stuns FTW).

    Beyond that though yeah, its on your tank to use and manage CD use and make sure they have enough fending to survive any big dips.

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    you don't even need fending in wanderer's. just don't pull fucking everything, that instance has so many mobs in it that it's entirely possible to pull too much for anything except coordinated groups to handle.

    also divine seal doesn't work on DoTs, only healing spells (and not abilities, notably. this means it will affect Cure / Cure II / Cure III / Regen / Medica / Medica II, but NOT Bendication (which admittedly doesn't actually matter) / Asylum / Assize / Tetrgrammaton).

    as an amusing aside, cleric stance also does not impose a penalty to abilities either. They'll still heal for piss since your MND and INT get swapped, but the native 20% penalty doesn't get applied either. This also, on a slightly unfortunate note, means Assize doesn't get the +10% damage bonus from cleric stance.

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    Can't even do an EX roulette in DF anymore. This game needs a parser or have SE embrace some type of "site that gives good information" on how to do your rotation or play your job correctly.

    This weekend I've had:

    Tanks lose hate to Aero III
    MNKs who spam arm of the destroyer
    SMN 60's with auto garuda and no Dread Trance
    DRG 60's who don't use heavy thrust
    NIN 60's who never apply Huton
    And my favorite, ripping Faust in A1 normal on SMN with quelling.

    The community that Yoshi P. and the rest of the devs cater to are generally paint huffers. This entire game has been a huge disappointment, filled with bald faced lies on content and features promised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taruina View Post
    filled with bald faced lies on content and features promised.
    Can't wait for that for that add-on support in 3.1!

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    I treat every promised item like the graphical update to Anarchy Online.

    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/sho...rody-continues

    Talked about in 2005. Work done on it in 2008. Just pushed to test server this summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiye View Post
    I treat every promised item like the graphical update to Anarchy Online.

    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/sho...rody-continues

    Talked about in 2005. Work done on it in 2008. Just pushed to test server this summer.
    So the same 5.0 patch that we get PUP, will be the patch that we get an in-game parser. Nice.

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    *only available at the beginner's hall test dummy

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    I like how all of them bailed LOL. So much like Aion with its 20 different CMs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taruina View Post
    Can't even do an EX roulette in DF anymore. This game needs a parser or have SE embrace some type of "site that gives good information" on how to do your rotation or play your job correctly.

    This weekend I've had:

    Tanks lose hate to Aero III
    MNKs who spam arm of the destroyer
    SMN 60's with auto garuda and no Dread Trance
    DRG 60's who don't use heavy thrust
    NIN 60's who never apply Huton
    And my favorite, ripping Faust in A1 normal on SMN with quelling.
    I'd like to add:
    BRD that didn't use Minuet,
    BLM hardcasting Fire III / IV on everything,
    NIN / DRG single-targeting on 6+ mobs pull.

    The Ex roulette carry is fuckin real. Seems to be way worse than @lvl50.

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    Speaking of good roulettes, I almost saw the second pair of sisters in Garuda HM earlier this week.

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