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  1. #7841
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    There does come a point when nothing can help.

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    On healer the rule #1 is : when you see something unusual on someone you dispel it first.

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    That actually brings up a pet peeve of mine as a healer. Versions of debuffs that can't be removed but have identical icon to one that can.

    Could at least use a different style of icon to represent undispellable debuffs. Was annoying as shit in FFXI also but at least they went under a different status effect name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaisha View Post
    That actually brings up a pet peeve of mine as a healer. Versions of debuffs that can't be removed but have identical icon to one that can.

    Could at least use a different style of icon to represent undispellable debuffs. Was annoying as shit in FFXI also but at least they went under a different status effect name.
    Yep, that little detail yoshi seems to want to ignore because it'd be "confusing." XIV has infinitely (in comparison) more space to have a variety of icons to designate the difference - in XI, mute couldn't be removed, but silence could. Here? You have for example a poison that can be removed, then you have poison that can't be removed. It's literally the same god damn poison. It's not "venom" or something..just poison.

    Then again, XI also had shit like debuff auras and actual gaze attacks, i.e Piestes when their eyes glow if you look at it you get petrified or blinded/silenced.

  5. #7845
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    gaze attacks are still a thing. with piestes, even. you can stand in the hazard cones all you want as long as you're looking away.

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    I'm pretty sure XI had examples of "unremovable" debuffs that could normally be removed too.
    https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Category:Harpeia

    Is the first thing I can think of off the top of my head; a paralysis and plague that, for all intents and purposes, had the same icon and debuff as the removable version but couldn't actually be removed.

    Pretty sure Diabolos' infamous "Nightmare" attack used the same Sleep icon/description but behaved differently from the regular Sleep rules as well (and I think these super sleeps continued past him too) Promathia used an unremovable "Silence" as well despite "Mute" being an already made status effect.

    tl;dr XI and XIV don't really differ in their weird as fuck debuff shit

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    Well, with WTFast going pay only, I not have two choices. Pony up $54 to keep playing or quit. The FIOS lag locks are unbearable.

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    They have the ad-supported free version last I checked which worked well enough for a couple folks I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaisha View Post
    They have the ad-supported free version last I checked which worked well enough for a couple folks I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaisha View Post
    They have the ad-supported free version last I checked which worked well enough for a couple folks I know.
    Free version is going away in 2 weeks.

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    Boy are those Comcast users in for a rude awakening soon then. What are the alternatives anyways? I only know of Wtfast/Battleping, and then just renting a VPN and hope its routing table isn't shit when there's a problematic node.

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    Uuuh, there's also pingzapper.

    On another note, did level60 roulette (Need dem seals for Zeta relic for the wife) and got paired with a fantastic WHM, one 'meh' BRD and a shitty DRG.

    So much to the point where if I didn't have berserk we were probably wiping because of lack of DPS.

    And we wiped on the last pull (2 Dhamels and 4 whatever). I was going to stop at the two dhamels (Didn't have berserk) but the BRD and WHM were itching to keep on going on so I continued the pull and we proceeded to wipe.

    And I noticed the DRG didn't have Blood of the Dragon or use any AoEs. And then when I, kindly, recommended him to check out his rotation and junk I got replied with "Yes master and would you like tea and crumpets". Just another non notable shitty day in DF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiye View Post
    And I noticed the DRG didn't have Blood of the Dragon or use any AoEs. And then when I, kindly, recommended him to check out his rotation and junk I got replied with "Yes master and would you like tea and crumpets". Just another non notable shitty day in DF.
    I am leveling bard (right now Lv57) and the amount of DRG/MNK/NIN that I don't see AoE is incredible on top of thoses who don't do positional. Its like that nearly every day now. God knows the Vault is an AoE paradise >.>;

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaisha View Post
    Boy are those Comcast users in for a rude awakening soon then. What are the alternatives anyways? I only know of Wtfast/Battleping, and then just renting a VPN and hope its routing table isn't shit when there's a problematic node.
    Depends on the area. I'm on Comcast and rarely have problems and don't use WTFast.(but oh dear lord when I do have problems.. the CS put me through hell getting it fixed..)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiye View Post
    And I noticed the DRG didn't have Blood of the Dragon or use any AoEs. And then when I, kindly, recommended him to check out his rotation and junk I got replied with "Yes master and would you like tea and crumpets". Just another non notable shitty day in DF.
    Yep - And since I'm on MCH the blame for "bad AoE damage" automatically fell on me despite not a single AoE came out of the Ninja and I was the only one AoEing.

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    I had an full i210 BLM tell me our party didn't have enough AoE for mass pulls in Neverreap. (DRK,BLM,NIN,WHM group)

    Very depressing.

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    I had some dumb ass Drk pull a huge group in Aery with a Nin and Brd, proceeded to see zero aoe and pops foresight so I just let him rip. He stood in a couple aoes intentionally which is whatever if there is a reason, but on the second to last pull he stood in the stone vigil mobs electric aoe unmitigated and it dropped him to 15% in which i just let him die again. He threw some smart ass remarks here and there and I was tempted to let him die at the end so he got no exp. Can't handle being a healer in these low level dungeons.

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    Been trying A3 normal because why not...and holy hell what happened lol. So many tanks not knowing how to handle the hand phase....or how to mitigate damage...and seems common place for tanks to pull everything up the stairs (normal) but proceed to pull it ONTO the scorpion..inside of the shit..

    Like..either people got dumber or it's been that long since I set foot in that content that it's a new "strategy."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destinye View Post
    Been trying A3 normal because why not...and holy hell what happened lol. So many tanks not knowing how to handle the hand phase....or how to mitigate damage...and seems common place for tanks to pull everything up the stairs (normal) but proceed to pull it ONTO the scorpion..inside of the shit..

    Like..either people got dumber or it's been that long since I set foot in that content that it's a new "strategy."

    Alexander normal is a complete shit show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FHT View Post
    I am leveling bard (right now Lv57) and the amount of DRG/MNK/NIN that I don't see AoE is incredible on top of thoses who don't do positional. Its like that nearly every day now. God knows the Vault is an AoE paradise >.>;
    Did vault today. Got a MCH and drg. No aoe from them. No bishop turret, doomspike, ring of thorns, grenado shot. Nothing. Both had multiple lv60 jobs. One was watching cutscenes. Last boss took ages to transition into orbs phase then they both died soon after it.

    I'm assuming bought accounts or letting their friend play. Unless they were masochistic enough to level those jobs in fates alone...

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