FFXIV Random Complaint Thread II: DPS can't count to potato

[layoneil]

Background: Did the Vault last night for the first time. Never look up any info, do all dungeons blind and ask cross server players for no spoilers/mechanics on bosses. Died a few times getting to Sir Charibert (He made me remember his name). Sir Charibert not sure if he was nerfed or not but loved the fight. First dungeon, I have had in a long time that jumped in terms of skill level for story. I am going to run this dungeon into the ground. I wiped to him and all wipes were on me (WHM). Reminded me of CoP difficulty before all the nerfing. We beat that dungeon with less than 10 minutes. Wiped to him 6 times. 6%, 20%, 7%, 40%, 10%, 20%. Each one was either out of mp or I let the tank die after his final curtain attack. Woke up with this fight on my mind.
Complain on myself for using cure II and cure III trying to not use medica I and II. Not using Shroud until late and DV and Assize and Asylum. Definitely an eye opener and I need to get my ish together if the challenge from this point on is going to be like that. Something to look forward to.

Complaint: Why did it take Square so long to get battles like this going in the story. Also hope more or to come.
2nd Complaint: Why do bards no longer play songs anymore? Every bard 40+ I have had but one (who was new) doesn't play songs. But can play songs to run through the dungeon until the next fight.

i've done the Vault literally a hundred times. i'm not going to say for sure it's not you but that fight is infinitely easier to heal when the other people aren't being stupid. it might feel like it's the healer but it's more often the other people not breaking chains fast enough or running into statutes and puddles.

[Twilight Sky]

Vault was nerfed like hell.. First of all the second boss is still harder than the final, but his "dimensional" rips no longer stay on the floor.

The chains are no biggy now that the incoming damage is not higher with each time it goes off. Alter Pyre was significantly "depowered" ... The only real danger is getting hit by the horses. So I'd say, Juben missed out, and thankfully so, or that post would have been much more angry sounding.

Before all of that, not breaking chains meant 1 2 3 dead. Alter Pyre = Retarded AOE damage spell that a healer needs to be keen on before it goes off. There's a point where the boss uses that + chains + shit on the floor + horses... and chains is the bigger problem because you can't see a damn thing due to Alter Pyre's ridiculous blinding effects. Nevermind the DPS check where if you're not fast enough, the remaining balls could wipe you.

For the second boss pre nerf, the rips on the floor and the wall makes for a stressful fight. He likes "painting" the room with his purple crap. If poor DPS, you're looking at no where to go.

All of that being said, yes, this was a dungeon where DPS can't be stupid or the healer, just couldn't do it. Everybody had to work together. Carrying didn't work so well here lol.

[Rocl]

I'm almost positive you're full of shit and Vault wasn't touched. Everything gets/seems more easier the more you do it.

I'm not sure what you mean by dimensional rips; if you mean the actual Dimensional Rip danger-floor zone Ser Grinnaux places-- it still stays on the ground until someone triggers it. The Dimensional Tears still remain throughout the fight. A lot of people use someone to trigger Rips and just heal through the damage / erase the Heavy to clear up space. For the rest, I'm gonna need to see some receipts because I haven't seen a single thing in the patch archives or in my own experiences to suggest such a nerf.

[Twilight Sky]

Nevermind. I didn't make any of that up, but given how you people are here, I'm not going to bother with it.

[Destinye]

I'm almost positive you're full of shit and Vault wasn't touched. Everything gets/seems more easier the more you do it.

They did mention they made adjustments to dungeons and trials either in 3.1/3.15 but didn't go into actual detail on it, it was along with the exp boost change they did. Think it was around the same time they slapped on ilvl sync to Gubba Library.

[BaneTheBrawler]

I'm with Rocl, I don't think they touched it. And even if they did, I'm almost certain it would have been limited to HP/attack values.

[Rocl]

They did mention they made adjustments to dungeons and trials either in 3.1/3.15 but didn't go into actual detail on it, it was along with the exp boost change they did. Think it was around the same time they slapped on ilvl sync to Gubba Library.

Gubai ilvl sync was 3.1; the Vault (and all HW dungeons) are only mentioned to having EXP increased and sale price of drops adjusted in that patch. I made sure to doublecheck 3.01->3.15 patch notes before I posted.

[layoneil]

For the second boss pre nerf, the rips on the floor and the wall makes for a stressful fight. He likes "painting" the room with his purple crap. If poor DPS, you're looking at no where to go.

what does that mean? all of his attacks are targeted at people except for the big AOE knockback that hits everyone. if you have smart players, you can bait them all.

[Fondue]

Nevermind. I didn't make any of that up, but given how you people are here, I'm not going to bother with it.

WAT

[Lujei]

I don't believe they did anything to Vault.

However, I will say that when they changed the AOE indicator color, it made it quite hard to see on the floor with the new color, since it almost matches the floor perfectly.

[The Stig]

The incosistent voices of the bosses are annoying in vault. First boss I don't think actually has a voice. 2nd boss is over loud (not a bad thing, I want more), 3rd boss is just right.

[Destinye]

The incosistent voices of the bosses are annoying in vault. First boss I don't think actually has a voice. 2nd boss is over loud (not a bad thing, I want more), 3rd boss is just right.

Yeah, that's why I just leave the Japanese on since it's native language anyway. I've yet to hear English Heavensward VA. Since they all seemed the same consistency to me.

[Silenka]

English voices are bad and you should feel bad.
All the testosterone-fueled yelling in Vault is also bad.
I don't think they nerfed Vault at all.
I guess it's a nice sentiment to not want to be spoiled on fights and mechanics but if you're wiping a bunch of people who just want to get their fucking dungeon over with because you refuse to learn what you're supposed to be doing, you should look into making a PF for all first-timers instead of wasting a bunch of people's time. If I was in that party I would have dropped it like it was hot.

[Prothescar]

I don't believe they did anything to Vault.

However, I will say that when they changed the AOE indicator color, it made it quite hard to see on the floor with the new color, since it almost matches the floor perfectly.

No idea why they don't just have a toggle option for the new and old (2.0) AoE indicators. I liked the new ones a lot more, don't know why they reverted to the old ones.

[Destinye]

Color blind people complaining they couldn't see it.
People who never dodged AoEs to begin with complained they couldn't see the AoEs to dodge.

Said people still can't dodge AoEs/Directionals for the life of them, literally.

[Elcura]

Color blind people complaining they couldn't see it.
People who never dodged AoEs to begin with complained they couldn't see the AoEs to dodge.

Said people still can't dodge AoEs/Directionals for the life of them, literally.

Wow.

You really are a saint.

[Kaisha]

And it winds back to the two usual problems with AoEs in this game anyways.

1) Can't change the colour of them.

2) The general problem of AoE animations playing off well after the fact you've been snapshotted for them.

[Lujei]

It's really only the Vault's final boss that I have issues with the color change on. As I said up there, it's almost the same color as the arena due to the reddish tint.

I, too, believe we should be able to change the AOE indicator color. I can't say I know how hard such a thing would be to code, but I'm sure it's possible.

[Destinye]

It's really only the Vault's final boss that I have issues with the color change on. As I said up there, it's almost the same color as the arena due to the reddish tint.

I, too, believe we should be able to change the AOE indicator color. I can't say I know how hard such a thing would be to code, but I'm sure it's possible.

Not hard at all considering the AoE indicators is just part of a file that gets called up when the server sends the attack to the client. So it would have to be a change they decide to throw in randomly...aka not have the UI team waste time on shit like Lords of Verminion.

[The Stig]

@ Echnida, Blood Omen is a tank in near full 210 VIT, lost hate to B's full STR tank:

(([A]Lady Scarlet)) Blood Omen is mt quit stealing aggro
(([C]Kai Bond)) tell him to wear real gear then
(([A]Lady Scarlet)) You're the ones without real gear lol
<<5~ mins into the encounter>
(([C]Lady Scarlet)) new patch will change vitality works lol

WE'RE NOT IN THE NEW PATCH YET YOU FFFFF.... nevermind. I didn't say anything back, not sure what goes through their heads using that as a counter arguement

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After I jump out, I check my retainer.

HARBOR HERRING!

(Retainer) I hope you like it

NO I FUCKING DON'T lol