FFXIV Random Complaint Thread II: DPS can't count to potato

[The Stig]

WoW's fine. Each expansion they merge buttons together while introducing new ones.

Once upon a time there was a bloat, but they addressed that with expansions.

i.e. their Warlock probably had as many as 30 buttons, which got toned down to 10-15 over time. Rough numbers.

Ideally FFXIV has 2 paths to go into:
TERA style: 1 button holding your 1-2-3 combo
WoW style: remove TP, make it cooldown based affected by skill speed maybe. WoW's mnk, rogue and cat druid form uses a rapid form of TP (energy)

But, we'll probably be hit by PSlimitations or TooComplexForNewPlayers and we'll be stuck with the same for some time to come.

And we'll still be doing level 50 MSQ for roulettes come 4.0....

[Destinye]

It wouldn't necessarily be PSlimitations and more yoship limitations. I mean, yoshi said they had him and his team play WoW for over a year prior to and while working on ARR, so I'm not sure WHAT VERSION of WoW they played because Blizzard has loooooooong went past the "restrictive rotation" battle system..by numerous years lol. I mean it still exists in a form, but they didn't have the full on homogenization anymore.

SE's pointed the finger at Sony for this being not possible, but heck if I know.

Would have been nice if at least gearsets and macros were stored on the server and then cached to the client. Hotbars themselves don't take too long.

Yoshi: Something something servers would crash or increase load times dramatically if we did that.

I really don't know what kind of duct tape is holding together XIV's servers.

[Lyall]

It's probably been said before, but when the fuck can I buy more FC storage space? 3 tabs is not enough to stockpile all the various unsellable shit and crafting materials just from airship stuff.

[Eldelphia]

I SO agree. I have retainers full of FC junk

[Destinye]

Worry not, there will be a mogstation solution to those problems soon enough.

[Kaisha]

Vortexer's general raid damage output.

[Shaano]

Vortexer's general raid damage output.

That and the constant first 3 bosses over and over..

[Kaisha]

That and the constant first 3 bosses over and over..

Also that Brawler's Single Buster will hit and one-shot pets. AS IF I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TO PAY ATTENTION TO DURING THAT ORB PHASE.

Spoiler: show

My scrub side is showing.

[The Stig]

It wouldn't necessarily be PSlimitations and more yoship limitations. I mean, yoshi said they had him and his team play WoW for over a year prior to and while working on ARR, so I'm not sure WHAT VERSION of WoW they played because Blizzard has loooooooong went past the "restrictive rotation" battle system..by numerous years lol. I mean it still exists in a form, but they didn't have the full on homogenization anymore.

Now that you say that, I wondered if they got retail accounts or played on a private server instead (you know, save costs), given the attention over at WoW this week where they are suing and shutting down an extremely popular vanilla server haha

[solracht]

Vortexer's general raid damage output.

Which part is giving you issues? The only two problematic parts I can think of:
-DPS who soaked the first Thunder gets targeted by Ice Missile (needs a direct heal or they'll die)
-Fire Beam + Super Cyclone + debuffs pass (very little time to heal between these since the healers have to keep on moving)

For the first one we have one healer prioritize the thunder DPS over healing the water stack back up (you have a lot of time to heal the rest of the group before the next pass and you can even move near the middle for one or two AOE cures).

For the second one we decided to stack fairy buffs/healer cds and making sure the thunder stack was in range of the water stack in case one of the thunder soakers needed to be topped after the knockback (you get a little over a GCD before the debuffs blow up and the water stack shouldn't need heals if you stacked buffs before the knockback).

You can also do a 5man water stack while learning and move people out once your healers are used to the rotation.

[Twilight Sky]

It wouldn't necessarily be PSlimitations and more yoship limitations. I mean, yoshi said they had him and his team play WoW for over a year prior to and while working on ARR, so I'm not sure WHAT VERSION of WoW they played because Blizzard has loooooooong went past the "restrictive rotation" battle system..by numerous years lol. I mean it still exists in a form, but they didn't have the full on homogenization anymore.



Yoshi: Something something servers would crash or increase load times dramatically if we did that.

I really don't know what kind of duct tape is holding together XIV's servers.

SNES limitations.

[Cursed]

That it isn't FFXI-2.

[Kaisha]

-Fire Beam + Super Cyclone + debuffs pass (very little time to heal between these since the healers have to keep on moving)

It's mostly this, but it's just annoying with how much I have to do succors beforehand to then pre-cast (sometimes with ET) another succor right as the AoE damage/spreads go out. Always keeping a couple aetherflow charges handy for spot-heal lustrates. Perhaps it'll get easier with more 240 left-side gear to increase general HP as we get a few more clears in. I don't even bother trying to DPS him on SCH outside of during Ultra flash and start of his rotation.

Sometimes I wonder if A6S wouldn't have been as much of a pain in the ass to learn if you were free to choose your order of engagement so you could master them all individually, then pick an order that suits your group to tackle them in.

[Destinye]

Sometimes I wonder if A6S wouldn't have been as much of a pain in the ass to learn if you were free to choose your order of engagement so you could master them all individually, then pick an order that suits your group to tackle them in.

YoshiP: "Hai, that would be too complicated and confuse people new to MMORPGs. I understand in FFXI you had the option to tackle multiple paths in certain content, but this isn't FFXI. Hai."

Seriously though, when i first see A6/S I seriously thought instead of a gauntlet it was actually going to be a split path kind of thing.

[Marcicus]

decided to run expert with a friend, got a comp of nin (me) sch (friend) war drg. war ended up parsing 3rd with under 350 dps.

the drg had i220 hq gear and a 150 weapon/hands. i would say I was being trolled but this is exactly why i stopped doing expert.

[Kaisha]

Seriously though, when i first see A6/S I seriously thought instead of a gauntlet it was actually going to be a split path kind of thing.

It's a bit stupid since it would have made the fight feel more unique if it were, since we haven't had a choose-your-own-fight raid since A2.

decided to run expert with a friend, got a comp of nin (me) sch (friend) war drg. war ended up parsing 3rd with under 350 dps.

Any DPS doing under 500 in expert is grounds for a kicking since it means they're not even doing a basic 1-2-3 which would net you more than that.

[Cocoa Coala]

Not a complaint, but it seems like XIV's forum participation got quite low.

It's a bit depressing to read the news section and seeing just a few posts.

[Eleven19]

Not a complaint, but it seems like XIV's forum participation got quite low.

It's a bit depressing to read the news section and seeing just a few posts.

I noticed this too. Particularly because I'm trying to waste time at work and I run out of shit to read discreetly.

[The Stig]

The irony I suppose is the FFXI forum below is probably getting more traffic (disregarding the fact it's got more content and stuff)

Still; there's really not much to talk about.

Optimal tank rotation is 1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3, pop CDs for big shit
Optimal healing rotation is 1,1,1,1,2,1,1,1,1,1,2
Optimal DRG rotation is 1,2,3,7/8,4,5,6,7/8,1,2,3

There's that limit break radio thread, but that's absolutely petty and nothing to do with the game, just happens to involve players.

Ohhh S rank, pulling early! FIGHT ME

[Lyall]

There's not much to discuss in the weeks after a content patch; Everything gets figured out early, the dungeons are non-threatening, and the strategy discussion really pares down to whomever is asking questions.