FFXIV Random Complaint Thread II: DPS can't count to potato

[The Stig]

I complained about this before but ...

<none serious but seriously grating feel>

Queuing for any of the 24 man duties, there is no fucking reason why I need to wait 10-15 mins more when ONE out of TWENTY FOUR of us didn't click accept.

Are you seriously telling me all of a sudden 10~20 of us abandon and go do something else? Or suddenly everyone gets filtered into "in-progress" runs?

</none serious but seriously grating feel>



I am now rather massively interested in looking at the queueing system and/or how it functions. As far as it stands I imagine it to be like this:



(video is inserted with a time, but if it starts from beginning, skip to 9:05)

00:00-09:05 represents the queuing process.

09:06/7 represents that single fucking sack of shit that didn't click accept.

Loop it and there you have it, our fancy robust queueing system they can't even fucking bootleg properly off WoW.

[Rehn]

How does the WoW queue system work? You have me interested in knowing now.

[The Stig]

Well, if one person leaves the queue, usually the duty pops back instantly, because it lets someone else in the queue. So in the video above, if each person represents a block, pulling one block out instantly won't destroy the queue complete (is what it feels like in FFXIV). Another one just joins.

So you occasionally get a queue troll; where if there is exactly 25 people queuing and 1 person keeps dropping/queuing/dropping/queuing for 5 mins, your duty finder (dungeon finder) will pop rapidly and disappear rapidly until the person gets bored or someone else takes his place.

My confusion is why the queue system in XIV just seems horrid in that it spends a significant amount of time rebuilding the queue if one person was to drop. Whatever logic/algorithm it's using and how it's building a queue I'm just flat out baffled by it.

We'll never know of course but the only reason now I can think of why it sucks so bad is that everyone is actually not queuing solo. But there is quite a number of players to go around, and it's reset day. We have no proof or method of telling what exactly is happening behind the scenes at this moment in time, so I can only speculate.

But when you're 2/3 6/6 15/15 and then one person fails to accept and it becomes 1/3 2/6 4/15 right after it's really, really confusing/weird lol



edit: queue popped twice, both 1 failed to accept, 29 mins in, estimated 19m, @ 1/3 2/6 2/15 ...

You know how when sometimes you don't know something and want an answer and it just drives you mad? I think I've hit that spiral of madness lol




and as I'm bitching, I might as well, just read this while I was browsing:

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/blog/001476.html

This is just a brief look at the two new dungeons coming in Patch 3.3, but we hope you're looking forward to it!

No I'm not looking forward to spamming the same 2 dungeons for my tomes for the next 5 months.

[Purrrfect]

Had that happen last night and I was like wtf!?... My party of 5 was in queue, it pops and 1 dps outside of our party didn't accept so it kicked out and instead of just looking for 1 more dps the queue now only had my party in it...

[Corrderio]

The RMT spam is starting to get on my nerves.

Seriously, how hard is it to implement an system to lock people out of specific chat functions (tell, say, shout) on an account level instead of whatever the hell SE is doing which obviously isn't resolving the problem.

[Fievel]

Use guildwork chat filters

[Destinye]

The RMT spam is starting to get on my nerves.

Seriously, how hard is it to implement an system to lock people out of specific chat functions (tell, say, shout) on an account level instead of whatever the hell SE is doing which obviously isn't resolving the problem.

Sadly it doesn't matter what they do as long as NA/EU players are giving them business lol. It's not anywhere NEAR as big of a problem on JP datacenter.

[Toshi]

FML. Find a new nin and whm just decides to quit. We are near a a7s kill.

We had 15% to go and last two jail phase.

[solracht]

The Fields of Glory (Shatter)
Under the influence of the lesser moon Dalamud, Nael van Darnus, legatus of the VIIth Legion, sought out and unearthed Allagan ruins in the eastern highlands of Coerthas. Aided by the knowledge contained therein, he raised the very earth unto the heavens, and from this lofty perch did the White Raven nearly orchestrate the destruction of Eorzea.

The remnants of that mad plan still litter the frozen highlands, as well as other ancient artifacts now laid bare. Though the powers that be are in agreement that Nael's data must be secured, they remain divided on the subject of how best to administer the region, which has prompted them to invoke the same laws which transformed Carteneau and Seal Rock into a battlefield. Where words fail, weapons speak.

Really not happy about how all the interesting lore-heavy areas mentioned in 1.0 (Carteneau Flats, Seal Rock, Eastern Highlands) have been added as PVP content instead of as explorable content.

[Edelweiss]

Really not happy about how all the interesting lore-heavy areas mentioned in 1.0 (Carteneau Flats, Seal Rock, Eastern Highlands) have been added as PVP content instead of as explorable content.

Sil'dih Aqueducts.

Please look forward to it.

[Corrderio]

I knew the playerbase was mostly a bunch of princesses/whiners, but holy shit I have never seen stuff like this before.

-50 level Roulette and healer stays at entrance and lets us all wipe to first wave of mobs. Why? "You ran off without protect so you deserved it"
-3 Wipes and 3 PTs later before finally beating A7. All 3 times we got the boss to under 20%, but nope, 1 wipe and goodbye to at least half the goddamn party.

[Seravi Edalborez]

So the same as it's always been!

[Corrderio]

Guess I was just lucky back in the v2.0 days

[Ratatapa]

2.0 was different since people were new

But patience has been gone now. People have patience for like 2-3 days when a patch release, after that people starts leaving when wipes happens and princesses show more often

[Kiarax]

I've been actively playing this game for a very long time and practically never had that happen. You guys sure do love to grossly exaggerate. I can count on one hand the amount of times I've actually kicked people for wasting our time by being whiny.

[Ratatapa]

I've been actively playing this game for a very long time and practically never had that happen. You guys sure do love to grossly exaggerate. I can count on one hand the amount of times I've actually kicked people for wasting our time by being whiny.

Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh back when i played I often had tanks who just said there and didn't do anything if someone pulled before him. People refusing to play if healer DPSed and etc

[Dotsudoku]

early pulling, sure, but nobody preemptively gets upset about healer DPS. They get upset when there's a wipe and a healer had been DPSing, regardless of whether or not it was their fault

more exaggerating, etc.

[octopus]

I've never had these things happen to me either /shrug

[Yukari]

early pulling, sure, but nobody preemptively gets upset about healer DPS. They get upset when there's a wipe and a healer had been DPSing, regardless of whether or not it was their fault

more exaggerating, etc.

Had a friend WHM have the PUG tank pop hallowed as soon as he saw him DPSing and was like "Well, we're going to have to wait for hallowed before I pull the next pack if you keep DPSing".

[Corrderio]

I've never had these things happen to me either /shrug

Maybe it's just an Ultros thing since I transferred there against my better judgement?