FFXIV Random Complaint Thread II: DPS can't count to potato

[Lyall]

Final Steps is a great fight that seems to be populated by awful players. I told a group on patch day that if they can't manage to dodge Cauterize and the circle AoEs that there's zero chance of clearing, and I got met with a ton of backlash about how they were new to the fight. "Circle appears, run from it" is introduced to you and used in every single encounter, but this is the first time it outright kills you if you fail at moving, so people who never had to get good at dodging (holy shit it feels somehow demeaning to the word to describe "move away when a thing appears" as "good") suddenly can't, and wipes result on account of it.

I've been asking friends who don't have FSoF unlocked to queue into Trial with me. Fuck wiping for 40 minutes just to get a pittance of gil and esoterics.

[Seravi Edalborez]

Nidhogg is a nicely balanced fight. A lot like Nabriales, in that - easy enough that it can be picked up and cleared by anyone, but still requires you pay some attention.

And yet, just like the new 24-man, people are still fucking horrible at it. My first group failed the DPS check - twice, even if we eventually won. thanks SCH who was just sitting there casting Physick!

I gotta say though, Nabriales was the fucking worst trial roulette in that long span before 3.0 dropped. I looked forward to un-nerfed Steps of Faith more than that. No matter what every fucking time at least 4 people would pretend orbs don't exist or hit 3 in a row and die. The other tank (I could never not go tank in case both were braindead) was awful at meteors while the DPS was simultaneously terrible enough that even LB2 wouldn't kill the tear. DPS was always awful. You were lucky to have 1/4 be "average", the other tank was always autopilot, and of course the healers simultaneously never DPS'd yet let everyone die.

Fuck DF anything else. For a mandatory story progression fight people were intolerably bad at this and never fucking said a word any time we wiped. It became an auto-quit for me and it was unfortunately common because everyone was getting "ready" for HW. Easily the most consistently bad fight I have ever experienced in DF. It didn't help that the item level req for this fight was astonishingly low and people would (intentionally or not) cheat their way in by having good armor but a terrible (i55) weapon on top of their bad rotations. Think I had a healer one time who needed Stoneskin to survive AoE spam because his VIT was so low. Once he died it was impossible to keep him alive.

And yeah, jimmies re-rustled. Fuck Nabriales.

[Twilight Sky]

The main problem I had with Nabriales was always when it's tear time. No tanks wanna take the meteors. DPS was usually fine.. we just freaking die to proximity damage from the meteors + the area's DoT. Other than that, I think it's a fun fight. I have much more trouble with Bismark.

[Destinye]

My problem with Chrysalis now is DPS/Healers wanna take meteors and kill themselves instead of letting the tank do it.

Which leads to a problem I noticed MOSTLY on NA datacenter.

Why the fuck do people stack for solo 'triggers', i.e one person stand in the circle? I mean it's not a huge deal but...I just never understood it, it doesn't split damage or anything lol.

[Seravi Edalborez]

My problem with Chrysalis now is DPS/Healers wanna take meteors and kill themselves instead of letting the tank do it.

Which leads to a problem I noticed MOSTLY on NA datacenter.

Why the fuck do people stack for solo 'triggers', i.e one person stand in the circle? I mean it's not a huge deal but...I just never understood it, it doesn't split damage or anything lol.

Same answer for any idiotic activity on NA DF: because they're all awful at the game and/or have no idea what they're doing. It's actually more admirable that at least they know to stand in the thing rather than just standing around in the middle of nowhere. All 7 of them.

If they're a first timer then there's no point in them learning because they will never do it again so they don't really care if they're doing it wrong. Is my opinion anyways.

Though I forgot: 2nd tank runs to same tear meteors as me and the other one doesn't get picked up. If I try to leave to snipe it he will also. If I don't he won't either.

Honestly what triggers me to this day is people hiding from Garuda's ult behind the rocks in HM. And tanks who spam range attack during invuln and waste like 700 TP. And backpedal while doing so. When we have been farming it for like 10 times this session alone.

The one I never got is why all 24 people didn't stack for...Xande? Syrcus Tower one. The gravity balls that split damage + float. 8 people splitting one should be the same as 24 people splitting 3. Yet it just never happened.

[Modoru]

slightly more awake now, with a newly introduced massive headache; prolly from lack of sleep
earlier posts reflect why i bothered with those charts

there's seemingly some misinformation regarding ozma mechanics and people are 100% gung-ho on what's right or wrong even when it's their first time
usually because someone in their LS/FC "did it this way".

One of my runs for weeping city, a dude kept... yelling (caps lock rage)? at me because I refused to stack meteors, even though i kept noticing that meteor burst was doing more unnecessary damage to the parties rather than just spreading them out and minimizing issues

until people started going "wait yeah meteors are like t9!!"
like no shit dude there's a reason I said stacking was a bad idea, why would you keep doing it???

pls excuse fragmented thoughts, evidently still too tired for this

[Toth]

Sigh. Finally got groups that clear Ozma and then wipe to the last boss....I know people here say it is easy but both groups I was in were not able to manage the mechanics. Weirdly enough, DPS was fine on Ozma but plummeted on her.

[Fondue]

Had to zombie the last boss for 20 minutes last night to get a win, at one point there was only 4 of us up

Such fun wow

[Destinye]

Yep, first day people spread meteors out when they realized it fucks you up if you stack them. Second day, people started stacking them, so I'm like "the fuck happened in 16 hours?"

[agrotc]

Spreading out obviously requires too much brainpower for these people so it's clearly easier just to find the other person who has the mark and hug them.
Had someone last night argue that meteors should be stacked because the adds are too hard for the tanks to pick up and their tornadoes do too much damage, and stacking gets rid of them.
Meanwhile I'm pretty sure I can solo at least one of the adds before it even starts casting Tornado.

[Modoru]

Spreading out obviously requires too much brainpower for these people so it's clearly easier just to find the other person who has the mark and hug them.
Had someone last night argue that meteors should be stacked because the adds are too hard for the tanks to pick up and their tornadoes do too much damage, and stacking gets rid of them.
Meanwhile I'm pretty sure I can solo at least one of the adds before it even starts casting Tornado.

don't do this tho, those fuckers hit somewhat hard
but i feel ur sentiment
i stressed to my tanks that it was imperative they focus on grabbing both adds as soon as they could to avoid any problems

[Taint]

The DPS checks in Nidhogg/Ozma while light are really showcasing just how bad most players are. I tried to PUG NidNM a few times before my LS mates logged in and it was just brain damage.

i220+ DPS doing less that i130 lvl50 players used to....

[Corrderio]

The DPS checks in Nidhogg/Ozma while light are really showcasing just how bad most players are. I tried to PUG NidNM a few times before my LS mates logged in and it was just brain damage.

i220+ DPS doing less that i130 lvl50 players used to....

That's pretty sad if true

[Destinye]

That's pretty sad if true

Beyond true, but heaven forbid you call anyone out on it either in game offhandedly ("DPS is kind of slacking") or on forums "people are pretty bad in DF.."

[Corrderio]

Shit like that almost makes me wish I had a FC

[Kaisha]

i220+ DPS doing less that i130 lvl50 players used to....

Things like this make me wonder if 4.0 is in for a skill/rotation reform for all the classes to 'simplify' it for the dumb majority that play the game so they can at least do appropriate dps and not hinder the actual players, while being braindead.

It'd be one way for them to go "Hey we fixed the hotbar problem lol!" by shaving off half the actively used skills.

[Seravi Edalborez]

Things like this make me wonder if 4.0 is in for a skill/rotation reform for all the classes to 'simplify' it for the dumb majority that play the game so they can at least do appropriate dps and not hinder the actual players, while being braindead.

It'd be one way for them to go "Hey we fixed the hotbar problem lol!" by shaving off half the actively used skills.

I almost expect 4 passives and an ult (something akin to a personal LB like in newer PvPs). To avoid the issue altogether. Passives putting new effects on old skills or something. Not because they can't or won't invent new skills (which they probably will anyways) but they just don't "need" to.

Because let's face it they're always going to keep the floor low enough for these people to skate by and beginner hall or whatever they do going forward is not going to eradicate it.

[ebil]

Things like this make me wonder if 4.0 is in for a skill/rotation reform for all the classes to 'simplify' it for the dumb majority that play the game so they can at least do appropriate dps and not hinder the actual players, while being braindead.

It'd be one way for them to go "Hey we fixed the hotbar problem lol!" by shaving off half the actively used skills.

I'm expecting this to happen tbh, basic rotations have become too hard for a significant portion of the player base and I have a feeling this contributes to the sentiment of much of the game being too hard or inaccessible to people who were perfectly capable of clearing Extreme Primals and even Coil fights during 2.x.

[Twilight Sky]

Shit like that almost makes me wish I had a FC

No you don't.

[Lujei]

Meanwhile, in healer land, people are still failing the fucking DPS check in Nidhogg. Three Trial Roulettes in a row we failed because DF DDs are shit.

Also, I heard "people need to be in the circles" for Nidhogg on 3 different occasions. I mean, not going to lie, my group on the very first night within 3 hours of the patch drop thought the same thing, but we're a few days out and that is still somehow being perpetuated?

As for Nabriales, I like the character and I like the battle, but I don't like the retards. It's a fine battle if even half of the party is awake.