FFXIV Random Complaint Thread II: DPS can't count to potato

[Alistaire]

Getting i220 and apparently missing the learning cycle for Nidhogg EX. Only groups I see now are "EXP or GTFO"

Probably partly cause it's a pretty quick fight to learn. But it also seems cause of that if you set up a learning party you more easily get people who have learned the whole thing and are willing to help, because it's a lot easier than other extremes.

[Corrderio]

Wouldn't surprise me since it seems a hell of a lot more manageable than Sephirot.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind too much if I had an active FC, but I feel like I'm asking for the impossible in this game. On my 2nd FC and it has the same problems the other had where there's barely anybody on to do fights like this with.

[Fievel]

Wouldn't surprise me since it seems a hell of a lot more manageable than Sephirot.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind too much if I had an active FC, but I feel like I'm asking for the impossible in this game. On my 2nd FC and it has the same problems the other had where there's barely anybody on to do fights like this with.

Make PF's to learn the fight and join PF's when you see them up to learn the fight. Make an active attempt to clear the content and you'll meet other people who are working to do the same.

If all you do is sit around and bitch on BG everyday about how you don't have an FC to carry you through content then you'll never get anything done. FC's are just another chat channel in this game and the only way you're going to meet other people who are actively playing and clearing content is to go out there and do it. If you're not absolute ass at the game you'll more than likely be invited to LS's and probably some random FC from people who are also doing PF's to clear the content.

You act like joining a bad PF is going to give you literal AIDS, you'll be fine, just join.

[Icarian]

Just be sure to save up on patience because you'll need it, I wasted 3 hours this evening trying to get it done, time after time I join self-proclaimed kill parties or last phase trainings and people spill their spaghetti all over the place, dying to divebombs, failing the very lenient DPS checks and so on.

It just feels impossible to do with this pool of players, you may see a decent one here and there, but if half the party is flat out bad, it feels useless to even try.

Going from a moderately successful static to this is very disheartening lol.

/rant

[Corrderio]

Just be sure to save up on patience because you'll need it,

It just feels impossible to do with this pool of players, you may see a decent one here and there, but if half the party is flat out bad, it feels useless to even try.

And this is my general issue, between the stress of work and only getting ~3 hours a work day now I really don't have the patience to deal with people that don't know their right from their left, directions, etc.

It's why I'd like to have a FC for this kind of stuff, but I suppose I'm an old fart living in the past.

[solracht]

I pity your shitty servers

[Kaisha]

The real question is how many of those PFs could reliably get through add phase without a single death though.

The ones on Hyperion sure can't despite it being a really, really simple fight up until designated bait/dodge patterns later on.

[Corrderio]

I pity your shitty servers

Oh no I see plenty of those. What I don't see however are learning PTs. And I really have zero experience and don't feel like getting people pissed at me so....

[Greedouw]

I just started Phase 3 of the new Relic Weapon

I also just quit Phase 3 of the new Relic Weapon

What in the fuck

[solracht]

The real question is how many of those PFs could reliably get through add phase without a single death though.

In my experience that doesn't necessarily mean the group isn't capable of clearing (farming efficiently is a different matter but that's not what this is about).

I've organized many learning groups since the patch came out (4-5 new players per group with zero previous knowledge of the fight) and the first cauterizes tend to be one of the worst parts for new guys to execute cleanly, with the colors phase being the main hurdle. I actually find P3 to be one of the easiest parts to teach since it can be carried with good calls and markers even if people don't fully understand the mechanics.

If you're constantly wiping long before the phase indicated on the PF then yeah obviously bail, but if one or two players die in P1 and you're still clearing the adds before the 2hr goes off then I honestly wouldn't care.

Oh no I see plenty of those. What I don't see however are learning PTs. And I really have zero experience and don't feel like getting people pissed at me so....

Make your own party.

[Corrderio]

Make your own party.

Been there. ~2 hours to get 8 others and never made it past adds.

[Fievel]

Quit

[solracht]

Been there. ~2 hours to get 8 others and never made it past adds.

I really have zero experience and don't feel like getting people pissed at me so....

So... which one is it?

If you've entered the fight at all, no matter how badly the other 7 players were doing you should've at least been able to learn how to do cauterizes. Since that's the only real mechanic in P1, I'd just go ahead and try to join P2 parties (warn the PT leader at your own discretion).

[Corrderio]

Eh a bit of both I suppose. Getting to the adds really isn't that far so saying I'm experienced seems like a hell of an understatment. That and so far I only got one group formed.

[Kaisha]

New in-duty menu needs to both include roulette bonus where applicable, and move the ditch button to the lower-right of the menu instead of the top.

It's also a really god damn ugly menu by the game's own standards, I hope they polish it up at some point. Everything is all left-justified on a single sheet and looks like something more I'd expect from an FFXI menu.

[Eleven19]

Mother fucker just joins a clear party and then says he knows about the sable price deal at the end.


My head hurts.

Edit - What a surprise he could barely play his job and we couldn't even get through the fang / claw phase in a clear party. At least all these 'clear' parties are helping me fill my blacklist back up.

[Yelta]

We set up learning parties a couple times a week (Wed & Thurs evening) and grab the good players and add them to a LS. Slowly you start to build up a decent playerbase. LS also gives you a place to bitch about the baddies.

[Icarian]

Spend another hour and half today and I'm not gonna bother with it anymore, I'll get the lore weapon and go on my way.

Joined a last phase training again, but apparently that means "I haven't read or watched anything about it and will die to the first patterns of bombs every single time no matter how many times you explain it to me". The party was going somewhat fine until last phase, a bit lacking on dps perhaps, but there were no wipes, as soon as we reached it though, half the party died on the first set of bombs every single try.

I just can't do it anymore, it feels futile :<.

[Kiarax]

Use VOIP, tell them what to do. It's really not that hard. I've taught a ton of people the fight and it takes them 2 pulls at most to perform and understand the bomb patterns in the final phase. Mark yourself, tell them to stack on you, call out exactly when the AoE is about to come out and exactly where to move. Call out for an adlo spread and/or Divine Veil before the second bomb pattern. Yeah some people are slow at picking stuff up, but you can literally hold peoples hands through the fight for an easy clear. If people still can't perform with you calling out literally everything then replace them.

[Toshi]

Joined a a5s pf as drg just to get a book for my blm gearing. People where in 230+ and there was a first prey. I got it and they were moaning at me for running the wrong way. Tbh I was a bit shocked to see the first prey. I hadn't seen that since week one progression.

Mnk, nin, drg, blm as dps in 230+ gear. How could the dps be so low...