FFXIV Random Complaint Thread II: DPS can't count to potato

[Ratatapa]

Wow this thread was active during the night

[Damane]

Officially quit this shit game after a year and a half lol..deleted my char and deactivated my account

The progression of the game is just grinding the same 3 dungeons for gear that becomes obsolete obsolete every 3 months so you can start over and do it all over again.

There is no solo play besides DF dungeons. Alliance fights have no real strategy and if they did it would just be dodging.

All of the mobs are weak and there is no threat in areas. Just a bunch of wasted space. Oh but there are harder mobs that drop obsolete stuff that people might still 60 man and kill in 45 seconds.

End game sucks. More dodge mechanics please? Can I have it? Learning fights is a fucking grind and you have to have a group of players that are willing to beat their heads against a wall because of some dumb mechanic someone fucked up on week after week.

This is just a WOW remake.

ff11 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ff14 times 1 billion FAIL good try though

Any good games out there?

not to nitpick since i was active in FF11 until some weeks ago. But i wouldnt call throwing tons of brds cors geos and a couple of melees to burn down the boss strategy either. Because most 11 fights boil down to that after 2 weeks of their innitial release.

for me 14 is more strategic because every serious fight (as in coil) requires different formation/pt placeing/awareness.

[Hiryo]

Not to try and backseat mod but for realsies.



Literally the only rule.

If people actually followed this, the thread would be as slow as the Praise thread.

Random Complaint: Threads aren't moving fast enough

[dejet]

Because spending 30min getting an alliance to Byakko, to pop him, to spend 20min whittling away at his HP with zero strategy to kill him besides tank&spank and cycling buffs, to waiting 15min before the ??? repops to kill him again, and going 0/8 on kitty pants was such a good time.



Random complaint: T13 feeling like banging head against a wall more-so than I ever felt with T9. You think you've made progress, then it's back to wiping on the first two phases you thought you had mastered because one little mistake just leads into a domino effect.

I won't say 11 had a better difficulty curve, I will say I just can't take this shit where taking a update off means I might as well be a fresh lvl 50 again. I much rather have ffxi gear progress from the old days.

And no I'm not talking about land god bs. I liked how when I went away to college and quit and only played in the summers that my gear was not goal shit, yes there was new and better in many slots but I could at least jump into content without being a full on leech.


I think my biggest complaint and this is for almost all MMOs not just 14. Limiting players by set sizes. Fuck that I want to run something with one other person? Or 9 I cant... Really? I understand newest coil but everything else should have little to no limits.

[Ratatapa]

The problem isin't the game difficulty it was the community

in XI the gimps were in a corner and did their own shit, and left the HC/elite players lead the game

Now it's the opposite, Casuals are rulling this game, and anything that is remotly difficult, they 'riot' on OF so that SE can't nerf the content, instead of trying

[Ezek]

I also prefer FFXI's horizontal gear progression, but vertical seems to be all the craze with all the modern day MMOs. It used to be that every big expansion was the gear reset (EQ, pre WoTLK WoW). Nowadays, the biggest games on the market (WoW / FFXIV) have gear resets every new tier, which is kind of lame.

But let's be real, none of XI's fights were overly difficult.

[ReticentHedgehog]

Okay, screw trying to actually complete Turn 8 with pugs, I'm just moving on to Turn 9 at this point.

People just can't figure out how to get the Defense Tower to go off in between Allagan Field and it's infuriating enough to keep wiping at 3%. But now it seems everybody wants to tank the Avatar facing the Southwest corner, regardless of whether other people need to use positionals or not.

And when I point it out, that the other Monk and I are going to either severely gimp ourselves or possibly screw up a ballistic missile, they go on to tell me that it's not important, that I'll only be missing a few positionals. Yeah, only half of my rotation. Whatever, apparently you don't want to pass the fight. Go bang your head against the Avatar's face until expansion.

[dejet]

I also prefer FFXI's horizontal gear progression, but vertical seems to be all the craze with all the modern day MMOs. It used to be that every big expansion was the gear reset (EQ, pre WoTLK WoW). Nowadays, the biggest games on the market (WoW / FFXIV) have gear resets every new tier, which is kind of lame.

But let's be real, none of XI's fights were overly difficult.

Eh sea was done decently well even by today's mmo style. Hate resets adds one shot kills dealing with mobs 2hr that could wipe tanks/ stone 3 people. I think people look at sky gods to much when they complain about it.

Sea, salvage, znm mobs, NI and such where fun well done systems tho most where just a tad to easy because of the horizontal gear. They really did need to upgrade gear a little faster.

[Ratatapa]

Okay, screw trying to actually complete Turn 8 with pugs, I'm just moving on to Turn 9 at this point.

People just can't figure out how to get the Defense Tower to go off in between Allagan Field and it's infuriating enough to keep wiping at 3%. But now it seems everybody wants to tank the Avatar facing the Southwest corner, regardless of whether other people need to use positionals or not.

And when I point it out, that the other Monk and I are going to either severely gimp ourselves or possibly screw up a ballistic missile, they go on to tell me that it's not important, that I'll only be missing a few positionals. Yeah, only half of my rotation. Whatever, apparently you don't want to pass the fight. Go bang your head against the Avatar's face until expansion.

No offense if you cant beat T8 with pugs, you won't beat T9 with pugs

[Gokulo]

No offense if you cant beat T8 with pugs, you won't beat T9 with pugs

Where's the logic in that? Not like he will be doing it with the same people. If he can get a competent group then he has a chance

[ReticentHedgehog]

Won't be doing Turn 9 with pugs (at least not a full group), that was never the plan. I would do Turn 8 with my usual group, but we're on different schedules and my time's tight as it is right now anyway. I want to at least start learning something new.

[Damane]

Eh sea was done decently well even by today's mmo style. Hate resets adds one shot kills dealing with mobs 2hr that could wipe tanks/ stone 3 people. I think people look at sky gods to much when they complain about it.

Sea, salvage, znm mobs, NI and such where fun well done systems tho most where just a tad to easy because of the horizontal gear. They really did need to upgrade gear a little faster.

Delve 1.0 on release was perfect from a difficult / gearcheck point of view. It was demanding, required everyone (like REALLY everyone from BRD to WHM to Melees to Stunners over to RDM) on top of their game and rotations (Job abilitys like Angon, songs, rolls etc etc)..

[Ratatapa]

Where's the logic in that? Not like he will be doing it with the same people. If he can get a competent group then he has a chance

Sorry just talking by Hyperion experience but yeah I should've said would be harder

[Taint]

Delve 1.0 on release was perfect from a difficult / gearcheck point of view. It was demanding, required everyone (like REALLY everyone from BRD to WHM to Melees to Stunners over to RDM) on top of their game and rotations (Job abilitys like Angon, songs, rolls etc etc)..

Delve 1.0 was exceptional content IMO. Especially with the progression, community theory crafting and rewards.

[Sephiroth]

No offense if you cant beat T8 with pugs, you won't beat T9 with pugs

Just require the 10 kill achievement link upon joining, no exceptions and you can put together a decent T9 PUG. People can be carried through once but it's unlikely they'll be carried through 10 times. This is a check you can't do with T8.

[dejet]

Delve 1.0 on release was perfect from a difficult / gearcheck point of view. It was demanding, required everyone (like REALLY everyone from BRD to WHM to Melees to Stunners over to RDM) on top of their game and rotations (Job abilitys like Angon, songs, rolls etc etc)..

Sadly I only managed to kill one delve before I left, but it was a lot of fun the few times I went. Was the first challenge I had on my pld in a very long time.

[Kaisha]

It has been a long time since you did byakko. You can solo it with any job nowadays.

People only have nostalgia for oldschool XI, so I threw an example of oldschool XI's bullshit. Don't get me started on Sea drop rates either or Cheater's Isle Investigation before SE nerfed the crap out of it.

Modern XI is just praying your random augments aren't shit as you slowly work away on your best gear swaps and that your stunbots don't fart since everything murders anyone not an A/O PLD, hence all the safe strats of stacking RNGs with that low-hate WS relic weapon. That and afk-farming job points with a bot.

Delve 1.0 was exceptional content IMO. Especially with the progression, community theory crafting and rewards.

Delve mega bosses relied too heavily on the stun-or-wipe bullshit though. It's one of the reasons I left the game after having cleared everything prior to Delve 2.0. I'd rather everyone be responsible for something in a group, not just the crutch of a good stunner or bot. It's why I enjoy ARR's endgame, lock-outs aside.




Random complaint: Still no command for setting graphical options so I can do a "crank settings" macro for screenshots, and another for returning them to sane settings that guarantee me 60fps.

Also none for setting audio either. The amount of times I hit Ctrl+K daily to bring up system config.

[Taint]

Delve was done via zerg method because the bosses weren't figured out. (stun whoring the mobs)

While stuns were still needed actually taking down the Auras made them much more manageable.

Delve progression was > RNG parties > MNKs+Stuns > finally Aura dropping and proper kills. Most groups still did MNK zergs because of how over geared people got.


Anyways the whole system was very good. Kill fodder to get pop items to kill NMs, that dropped NM lockout items to make the instance easier. Or you could enter without the pop items and kill the NMs inside.

For those that didn't do Delve it was a 5NM+Boss instance. All the NMs had heavy gimmicks so you needed a broad range of jobs. You could enter delve and fight all 5 NMs and after they were dead you had a chance to fight the megaboss but there was only 45minutes to do all that which made it rough at first. The other option was to kill the NMs outside of the instance and they dropped items that locked them out of the instance. So if you killed 2 NMs outside once you entered you only had to fight 3 NMs + boss. Hardcore groups farmed both, casuals could just farm the outside monsters.

[Detzu]

Delve 1.0 on release was perfect from a difficult / gearcheck point of view. It was demanding, required everyone (like REALLY everyone from BRD to WHM to Melees to Stunners over to RDM) on top of their game and rotations (Job abilitys like Angon, songs, rolls etc etc)..

Totally agree with what you said. Delve 1.0 was really fun.

[Damane]

Delve mega bosses relied too heavily on the stun-or-wipe bullshit though. It's one of the reasons I left the game after having cleared everything prior to Delve 2.0. I'd rather everyone be responsible for something in a group, not just the crutch of a good stunner or bot. It's why I enjoy ARR's endgame, lock-outs aside.




Random complaint: Still no command for setting graphical options so I can do a "crank settings" macro for screenshots, and another for returning them to sane settings that guarantee me 60fps.

Also none for setting audio either. The amount of times I hit Ctrl+K daily to bring up system config.

While stun was an essential part in delve 1.0, it wasnt the win button on release (only later when skill+ was added to weapon and stat vomits).
Tojil would start to resist stun if you didnt meat the DPS check, Tojil would resist stun without any GEO in your PT in most cases very fast into the fight. Stun was useless on the Matamata, Raptor and Adamantoise basicly.
The Shark would resist stun anyway with verve up, He would also start to resist Stun if not meating the DPS check later on. So you needed somethign else after the 25% mark was reached due to random Verves. Stun was only usefull for the Oboro and Carkclaw.
The Bee starts to resist stun later on If DPS check wasnt met, You could miss stun due to Blinks. Stun was only usefull for the Tytherym.
Keep in mind i am talking from a point of view of somethign not useing a stunbot, everything else was nearly impossible to stun without a Stun bot.

Good Stunners meant not an auto win button in early release of delve (pre stat vomit and +skill bullshit), you had to meet the DPS checks and healer checks to win. Those 2 checks were also very dependend on your buffing support and debuff support (DRG's angon, RDM debuffs, GEO COR BRDs etc etc.)

Mindless zerging wasnt an option, and Relic Rngs were only an option for the bee mega boss, but definitly not for the pre NMs or any other Delve boss and pre NMs. From my point of view Delve 1.0 on release was really perfectly balanced.